The stigma against twinking never warranted this

[Kureya-wyrmrest-accord (Kureya)]

All I can say is that, as an outside perspective with no actual investment…

I have to disagree. Hard.

[Trystian-moon-guard]

i have lots of opinions that i share with my friends but i don’t do what you do on the forums and get myself banned for being rude. i imagine you’ll start calling people “kid” soon as if that is also an insult. lol.

[Corilan-emerald-dream (Corilan)]

Because in my day you’d get blacklisted for talking back to someone. You think you have power, you don’t. We had gank macros for people who talked big.

This is exactly what I would’ve said back in 2006 when I was an edgy 15 year old.

“Gank Macros”, rofl.

This is gonna become our new popular phrase in Discord when we do WPvP

“Don’t make me use my GANK MACROS”

[Drougen-emerald-dream (Drougen)]

Which is something you’re entitled to do, nothing wrong with that. Just like I think people who disagree are wrong.

[Yzzami-nesingwary (Yzzami)]

Actually, you’re wrong. Tons of people twink, there’s quite a community dedicated to, it websites built around it, etc. Twinks are normal players, pretending they’re not is ludicrous.

Claiming that you can only be a normal player if you’re extremely casual and refuse to gear up your character is beyond dumb.

If there’s such a large community, and they all claim to only want to fight other twinks, then why do they demand to fight against newbies?

It’s almost as if the “community” isn’t nearly as big as you think, or they actually do want to steamroll newbies

[Zaeralyn-kiljaeden (Zaeralyn)]

At 120 you start earning epics, seeing the storyline, raiding, and earning pvp gear from pvping. There is nothing beyond level 120, so there is where you earn the gear and play the end game content Blizzard provided. At 120, everyone’s exp is off and they start earning gear, because there is no level beyond 120. TaKe your pick as to which description explains it to you. You’re more than welcome to turn on exp and level up your lowbie and join the great majority of players who are playing at max level

Some people get sick of the gear treadmill and don’t care about playing at 120 though. Blizz has even realized this and are finally making classic servers. In hindsight, Blizz should have created some level locked servers for each new xpac, which I’m assuming is what will eventually happen if Classic is a success.

Off topic, do you ever make sunday rp story threads anymore? I miss those, they were fun. I miss Triplex’s panda rant threads too.

[Zulras-ravenholdt]

Be that as it may, I’m at least giving the pretense of a somewhat receptive and objective interest in the topic, or at least this thread.

Which is my point thus far, that many of the arguments presented have been either objectively impossible to reconcile on Blizzard’s end or otherwise directly contradictory of other points in this thread.

There’s tons of things that support not splitting people up into two separate brackets, actually. Factual and subjective.

Then why has this thread done such a poor job of presenting them?

There is Nothing constructive about these threads, nor is there any form of objectivity either.

It boils down to basically a pissing contest from two different sides. The people pissed off that something was changed, and the people happy it got changed.

In between is nothing but words being thrown around as a way to try and insult someone they don’t know or have any idea as to what they have or have not done in this game.

[Yzzami-nesingwary (Yzzami)]

TBH he avoids the forums like the plague XD

convenient

[Ollin-uther (Ollin)]

The stigma against twinking never warranted this

Yes it did. People don’t twink for any sense of fair competition.

They twink for an advantage, and then they turn off XP gains because that’s what they’re really after. They need to feel like a bully and take advantage of a major power disparity.

If what you were really after was anything approaching competition, you would be playing max level RBGs, Arenas, or some other actually competitive game.

Instead you’re hanging out in a lowbie WSG with BIS gear and level 60+ enchants, farming leveling toons wearing heirlooms or questing greens and dungeon blues.

You don’t hate the queue. You hate fair fights.

[Yzzami-nesingwary (Yzzami)]

Off topic, do you ever make sunday rp story threads anymore? I miss those, they were fun. I miss Triplex’s panda rant threads too.

Blizzard was deleting and locking them

[Wrathgate-arthas]

I’m not pissed off, just the fact the game goes to hell when people are able to fix the systems. Steamrolling new players does in no way help the game and we are stuck with the same old twinks making the queues longer because players are unable to get a fair fight.

[Trystian-moon-guard]

you also tell them “my queues are 8m on horde” and they say “THAT’S CUZ OF ZANDARALI YOU JUST WAIT” as if new characters aren’t being leveled all the time, regardless. twinks queues are not gonna ever be good if they all stop qeueing because they can’t roll levelers anymore, and it will die. which is not levelers fault. it’s their fault for not being honest.

[Kem-bleeding-hollow]

You can joke about it now because you have “Baby-Mode” added to the game, but back then it was pretty serious. I remember people having to transfer servers because we would non-stop camp them until they logged out. It’s not hard to track player movement, alt on opposite faction /who. Go to the zone, spam the macro.

[Drougen-emerald-dream (Drougen)]

If there’s such a large community, and they all claim to only want to fight other twinks, then why do they demand to fight against newbies?

I haven’t seen anyone demanding they fight against noobs, people can already do that, It’s called ganking in world PvP. It’s not an insanely large community but it is quite a bit of players who enjoy it.

Separating them into their own ques in the past already proved there weren’t enough of them to have active ques, even in the 19 bracket essentially killing off a way some people in the game enjoy playing which I think is wrong.

People against twinks often times complain about people being twinks that aren’t and a lot of times are just not good at PvP, which is fine, but blaming twinks for every loss or death is pretty silly…especially considering there’s really not much that separates a twink from a regular player.

[Zaeralyn-kiljaeden (Zaeralyn)]

Blizzard was deleting and locking them

Fun detected. Fun nerfed.

[Wrathgate-arthas]

You can joke about it now because you have “Baby-Mode” added to the game, but back then it was pretty serious. I remember people having to transfer servers because we would non-stop camp them until they logged out. It’s not hard to track player movement, alt on opposite faction /who. Go to the zone, spam the macro.

LOL camping people wow just wow.

[Drougen-emerald-dream (Drougen)]

Yup. There was a male human paladin who used to non-stop gank at Hillsbrad foothills. Ol’ pallymcpwn. We’d non-stop hunt him for hours…

[Dasserlond-ravencrest (Dasserlond)]

I don’t remember having an issue with DK’s. Some could stomp me if I made mistakes, most … not so much. The most annoying thing was getting bounced around from their deathgrip or what ever it is that pulls players to them. Fear, bubble + speed boost, dispel, done. But I always play disc in pvp so maybe heals didn’t have it so bad. Warriors & rogues & the occasional well played hunter were my bane. Locks & shadow priests, many moons ago with their drain mana. Locks with dots after that. But DK? Hmm… nope don’t remember having an issue with them along with pally’s & shamans & mages.

[Drougen-emerald-dream (Drougen)]

You can joke about it now because you have “Baby-Mode” added to the game, but back then it was pretty serious. I remember people having to transfer servers because we would non-stop camp them until they logged out. It’s not hard to track player movement, alt on opposite faction /who. Go to the zone, spam the macro.

LOL camping people wow just wow.

Right? It’s almost like people play this game for different reasons and enjoy different things and not everyone has the same opinion on everything!

[Wrathgate-arthas]

I haven’t seen anyone demanding they fight against noobs, people can already do that, It’s called ganking in world PvP. It’s not an insanely large community but it is quite a bit of players who enjoy it.

You can gank in World PVP but that does not last long. Soon as you come up on the world map you get hunted down lol.