The State of Things

This has been brewing up for a long time, I have 2 more days of my sub to go before my ability to forum post is removed. Once again they insult our intelligence … making claims about being able to fly in a patch or at the release of an expansion, only to omit the fact that there will be untold(literally) steps and months of daily/weekly activities to do BEFORE we will get to flight, all so they can string us along and drain month after month of subscription money out of us, like donkeys lead along with a carrot. Are we really going to fall for this deception, what? for the 4th/5th time now since Warlords?

Think about this, we had flight for years, we had player agency and freedom, it was a wonder and a pleasure to log in, we were never short of things to do in the game, then came Activision. Warlords was released and suddenly our entire gaming experience was all micro-managed into an expansion spanning series of content gates. The entire focus of the company was put into building systems to control and manage every day of the player experience where we find ourselves with 30 minutes of progress per day only to be hit with a daily content gate that quite literally says, “sorry folks that’s it for today, we won’t let you do anymore til tomorrow”. They killed player freedom/choice and agency and then they repeated the same thing for another 3 expansions. YUou can test this out quite literally by staying away from the game for 3 months, go play something else, then come baclk and you will find you are able to do the entire 3 months of content in under 2 weeks, because youare not being held back with their content gating BS. This proves there is almost no actual content being developed and what little they have is simply put on timed delay release, they are not earning the subscription fee anymore, especially when they sit on the subscription fee they are supposed to be using to design content for us to play and they instead design things to go into the cash shop so they can charge us twice(double-dipping), essentially.

The latest, we get the Shadowlands reputation deception. They knew full well we didn’t want yet another reputation bar grindfest and they all sat around and thought, “How can we remove reputation but still maintain the same amount of grinding and long drawn out subscription dipping model we have had for the last few years, while cutting costs(laying staff off) and producing even less actual content” and so they decided to rename the reputation bar to “the renown bar”, 1 bar of activities with no end in sight the bar that just never stops being added onto. This was like pouring fuel on a fire and I literally exploded at the insult of it. But this time it’s even worse, not only have they continued the pathfinder /reputation bar system as it has always been, by simply renaming it and shuffling it around a bit, this time around they decided to literally chop the zones up into sections that cannot be directly traversed even with flight and 1 zone where they have even purposefully removed our ability to even use land mounts in … INSANE! All the while, treating all of us like idiots who won’t catch on or see it for the pathetic greed of it. Is this going to happen to a greater degree going forward? will they remove our ability to use ground mounts even more in the future?

How has this really affected things? Well, I used to pay monthly subscriptions, back to back, I had no reason to cancel, on the odd month/period I did cancel, I was making time for real life things. But now, as a result of this I have cancelled for months at a time and quite literally been pushed to other MMO’s to get the same gratification and some of them don’t even charge me a subscription fee. It’s sad when a subscription game cannot provide a paying customer the same level of satisfaction that a F2P MMO does. My view on the company has changed, things have declined where I have a deep resentment for the company now, none of which is my fault.

I am not coming back at 9.1 release. I will watch the patchnotes, listen to the community, speak to people who blindly went in and started paying from 9.1 release, and if flight has been pushed behind months of content gating as has been the habit every time, those months will go unpaid and I will stay in Elderscrolls Blackwood which has just been released or FFXIV which will be coming out with Endwalker in a few months. I am sick and titred of being insulted and treated like a donkey. 20+ years of a customer relationship with this company across multiple IP’s and this is where they have brought us.

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So much reading. Unsub. Comeback. Realize the game is trash. Unsub again.

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Sometimes I mostly feel like a lemming lead to a cliffs edge

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DONKS

no ur fine , i get the felang but i donot have it for me , i am ok to go longer , i get to do WOW classic is best did u try

Why would I pay to play nostalgia? Retail should have this incorporated into it in the first place. I’m not really interested in legitimizing yet another avenue of monetization for a greedy company that doesn’t really give a rats about our experience anyway, those people no longer work there.

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if u dont wanna do best WOW i dont care i dont no u but u miss out

Did it to death. Instead of better content in retail we get them moving developers to classic, even mod developers threw their retail projects to go to classic, it’s caused issues.

ya the need to delete regaler WOW is bad not fun , dont get alot of dev on WOW classic but i say is good is so fun i want more dev on classic

My dude, WoD was literally the opposite of this. There was very little timegating because there was no god damned content to gate in the first place. Even the rep grinds weren’t gated because they were literally mob grinds. You went and killed mobs for rep until you got tired of it or finished the rep.

I admit I’m talking about 6.0-6.1, but that’s, you know, half the expansion in this case. My experience with 6.2 was limited to Raiding, because the Tanaan Jungle stuff didn’t offer me anything I cared about.

Name a single place in which this has occurred in a way that doesn’t function exactly like a rep grind typically does. I don’t think there actually is one. People are just more aware of it now (and Blizzard is slightly worse at hiding it).

I do think they can do better about it though. As painful as they were, I do think working toward the reps in MoP 5.0 was a better way of unfolding a story over time than being told to tune in next week to find out what happens next. The Suramar and War Campaigns were also adequate in this regard, although I prefer Daily Hubs for this, as World Quest rep spam feels incredibly disjointed and more often unrelated to the story unfolding.

Timegating feels more acceptable if it feels like a natural part of the game and story. When there’s just… nothing - it feels arbitrary, and we’ve gotten a fair amount of that lately.

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In the same boat. Got 7 days left and I’ll probly stay on the side to see if things improove.

I no longer agree with the games treatment of players time and money. Blizz needs to get its original goals back.

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WoD was the beginning of the over emphasized systems design concept, they developed the garrison, and the garrison quests, the weekly garrison campaign quests, and yes coupled with the lack of virtually anything else to do outside the garrison, never having to leave the garrison to farm mats and making professions useless, WoD is where it all started, and the pushing of flight behind time delayed achievement objectives. Having no content and preventing players from unlocking flight til 1 and half years after the expansion drops is not really that much different from having content and preventing players from unlocking flight for 1 and half years after the expansion drops, is it?

You are talking about semantics to a large degree, the facts remains as stated.

I don’t actually belive you just said that, are you even playing the same game as everyone else is? You asked for an examplke I can give you ten but I only really have to give you 1. I find it amazing that you don’t seem to be able to find one yourself, and Here it is …

I can go out and grind rep at MY PACE on appropriate mobs, nothing stops me from getting to exalted in the appropriate content. Can I grind up to level 40 renown in 10 hours straight at MY PACE today? … point proven. This “my man” is what we call being content gated. Everyone else in the community has been talking about this for years I’m a bit shocked you don’t see it.

But hang on there’s something more here … you seem to be on damage control for “transgressions”. Every now and then I come across a person who blindly defends a companies mistreatment/extortion/whatever other negative habit or act they might be guilty of, because they are addicted to the pixels … the term is fanboi’ism.

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Yes yes, greed greed, but go enjoy what you enjoy, if said game isn’t doing it for you, go play what is fun. Cheers.

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Yup and as stated I am, but people need to blow off steam …

Yup that’s fine, I’m not against it.

they said we will fly on week 2 of the 9.1 did’nt they?

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I’m about to log into Elderscrolls, man what difference you know, those people don’t do much wrong, they really have it sorted, literally everything that they have in their game blizz have trashed. Crafting is always useful in ESO, item sets never become invalid from expansion to expansion, every set has a purpose and a unique set of abilities. They came up with level syncing content and player characters first before Blizz and FFXIV put it up from what I remember … nothing gets trashed or wasted in the game design, everything is earnable or achievable at your pace except for daily stuff like crafting or raids and things that are standard. Anyway, having a ball there a constant sense of progression and gratification and I don’t really even need to pay for the sub

I read online it would be week 7 because they have added new covenant chapters … this is exactly what I mean, they create the false narrative in their hypoe that things will drop and then they push it behind months long delays intentionally, same thing they did in 7.0 man I was angry I read everything I could to prevent myself from paying to enter Legion without flight live and everything pointed to flight upfront, I was gutted after I bought the expansion and logged in to find yet another pathfinder

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its not at the end of the campaim its right after you save the legendary item guy

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Yup no mention of when you will be able to actually get the quests done, they might gate it behind a few weeks. I would bet they would be expecting everyone to do more gated chapters before you get the unlock - https://www.wowhead.com/news/prepare-for-lift-off-get-ready-for-flying-in-chains-of-domination-322674
So uyou have to get to renown rank 44 as stated in their blue post. I Think we are only able to get to Rank 40 at the moment, so they will delay it further, How long does it take to go from rank 39 to rank 40? I haven’t done this yet so I can’t say, but you can probably expect it to take as long or a bit longer to go from 40-41 as from 39-40 and then onwards to 44 to continue the storyline so regardless I am not coming back at 9.1 release, it;s just another gimmick to get people to sub from day 1 while they drag things on, there is no reason to believe otherwise, it’s the same thing they always do … they build up the hype then screw you in the patch. But, I guess we’ll see, I hope I am wrong :smiley:

Soar the Skies in Style

Your heroic deeds on the behalf of your covenant will also reward you with a mount fit for the most decorated covenant champions upon reaching Renown 45. Kyrian players will glide on the backs of the elysian aquilon, night fae will ride upon majestic wolf serpents, necrolords will charge into battle on corpseflies, and venthyr will take to the skies on newly awakened stoneborn.

thats week 2, 3 renowns peer week like in 9.0

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