Agree.
But it’s also in the face of a design where any other class doesn’t combo up and frontloads their burst. Almost no other class eats their primary resource (CP) to accomplish the CC required to make it happen too.
I also think this is an example of the class being left cut open on the operating table because they were afraid of PvP implications instead of making a simple, rewarding PvE gameplay loop.
I only want one trivial thing for assassination (and outlaw) rogues, and that is for the fatebound tails coin flip to have a spell animation showing the cosmic damage. I don’t know why, but that bothers me the most.
What talent did you drop to take it? Every variation I’ve tried just showed an overall loss.
Wowhead and icyveins show it in their builds, but their builds are usually quite trash…
It absolutely is locked in because if you’re playing a build without ace in pve you’re actually just griefing so yes, you’re correct.
There are no real alternative builds because the other cap stones are dwarfed by Crackshot.
That is the biggest problem. Right now you either play Crackshot, or you don’t play. Even after nerfing it, it’s that strong.
I don’t think anyone wants Crackshot gone, but we need other build options for those who don’t want the vanish/stealth gameplay loop. All they need to do is make Greenskins viable.
Super charge Ghostly Strike to be a legit capstone talent and yes undo the nerf to Greenskins.
For Keep it Rolling I am not sure what they can do but 7 minute cool down is definitely not a good idea.
I want Crackshot gone because Hillbilly Subtlety should be in Subtlety, not in Outlaw’s wheelhouse.
You want stealth windows that badly, there’s already a spec dedicated around that.
Having everything else rot because you can spam BtE in stealth windows sucks.
Give Summarily Dispatched Armor Pen or replace something with Expose Armor.
What about energy regen on assassination ? They always break it in single target every single xpac. Its again boring, slow and dull with removal of venom rush.
How hard can it be to add Relentless strikes back to this spec and buff venomous wounds back to its WoD numbers ?
Venom Rush should be a staple of the spec but these devs think it creates interesting choices by removing integral tools like this.
Since the dev that was working on Rogues was promoted supposedly maybe we see changes that moves away from stealth dependence for Assassination and Outlaw and more about out of stealth prowess like energy gains and damage profiles.
I would gladly and eagerly play a non-stealth reliant Outlaw, and would absolutely prefer it. Doesn’t mean we need to remove crackshot, there are people who enjoy it. I enjoy it, mostly for the rush of getting like 8 resets in a row, but I enjoyed the Season 1 Greenskins Fan the Hammer stuff more.
Assassination used to hit hard outside of stealth and Combat back in the day was about extra attacks of specialized strikes with different weapons.
Current Assassination is stuck between the old paradigm and the new with the extra emphasis on stealth.
Outlaw has no identity at the moment because they removed Acrobatic Strikes and the only thing left is Crackshot which again isn’t a defining identity of the spec. Rather, Crackshot is the only game in town that functions right in terms of numbers.
Mate, join the rogue discord, wowhead and icyveins are always designed for casuals. You drop precise cuts, the far right node, 3rd row from the bottom.
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This has been the KiR rogue build for the last two seasons.
Outlaw vanishing and then coming right out of stealth (without dance since you guys care that much) is still pretty sick to me. Like a malicious thief running away then ambushing someone (literally if u play HO), rather than a “hidden mercenary” like sub.
Ghostly is already insanely powerful and one of the best capstones. It’s a massive dps loss to drop it since u have very high uptime of a literal 15% dmg buff. That combined with it’s off gcd cps to help you snipe ER points, turns it into one our most powerful talents.
Drop it and take a util talent to “delete ghostly strike” and sim how much damage you lose. (a lot)
A buff to Greenskins would be odd since crackshot its significantly more involved and harder and should be more rewarding to pull off.
Also, I have no idea what you’re on about with calling KiR a 7 min cd. Its literally like 70-90 second cd (AKA a sped up 2 min cd!!!) depending on TB uptime. Evasion on law is easily a 30 second cd and AR is about 40 seconds, so between the ghostly comments you made and the mention of KiR as a 7 min cd you come off as clueless about the spec.
Also also, of course I agree, no acro after 8 years or so of having it (first too btw!) is quite odd, leaves outlaw’s uptime requirements neglected and comes off as an oversight. A blanket melee range nerf across all melee does not affect every spec equally. Positioning with blade flurry was a good skill expression for good players, and now that is significantly more difficult and in some TWW dungeons literally impossible.
For rogues Tww is a worse version of DF.
Why would you burn Ghostly just for ER points when Shiv is right there?
I would gladly take Expose Armor over current Ghostly Strike in a heartbeat.
Because 1) you want to be using GS on cd regardless and 2) it’s a dps loss to shiv for ER; has been for a long time now.
Are u trolling?
I’m legitimately concerned for the future of this spec when 50% of the comments in the rogue section are either begging for buffs instead of actual genuine feedback on gameplay. And the other 50% are comments like yours who clearly do not even play the spec or have ANY idea how current outlaw plays.
This is what is so depressing about the rogue forums. It’s completely littered with people who are playing cata combat and want that in retail or people who legitimately dont know how the spec functions.