is more than you, irl as well.
yeah im almost 40 dude, my pro competitive days were 20 years ago, im perfectly happy to go and get my elite mog and peace out. but the fact is, i can get it, anytime i want.
Iâve seen your old streams and your â philosophyâ playlist so I highly highly doubt that.
Although Iâd sure hope so given the fact that youâre 21 years older than I am.
My generation is having to try our best to maneuver around a field of economic landmines that your generation so kindly left behind without a care in the world and is
Perpetuating.
One of the only generations in history getting ready to leave things worse than you found them thatâs you and I appreciate it.
That makes your whole outlook a lot easier to understand.
I understand you are probably trying to turn epics into a 1980s drama soap opera but an increasing number of people of people are not interested in acting in it
Iâm only just turned 20 and the points of view shift between people like you and my age is so vast itâs crazy.
Unfortunately this game is dominated by people your age not mine. Although there are some like me.
Not that you put them to use.
It lets keep it confined to the game yeah?
Uh, I donât think millenials are the generation you meant to be going afterâŚ
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Iâm not Inemia but if heâs 40 youâre going off on the wrong generation. Youâre thinking of baby boomers.
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Pretty sure it was the 65+ crowd and BabyBoomers that left everyone else with tablescraps/crumbs, Millennials on average graduated college into a 
economy while bogged down with student loans and unable to afford a house due to a combination of bad timing issues and low/flat wages versus rising house costs
I can see maybe older Gen Xâers possibly contributing to things slightly, but even that is quite the stretch - by now itâs clear the Boomers were the generation that basically had it good/partied it up/voted themselves all the good stuff at the expense of the unborn (gen X, Millennials, gen Z, etc)
source: am a Millennial myself so Iâm all-too-familiar with the âgetting handed a set of cardsâ that myself and my fellow colleagues had to deal with taking our first steps into the adult world in that rough 2006-2012 timeframe⌠we basically entered adulthood JUST as everything went to crap lol 
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Premades arenât cheating. They arenât against ToS. They arenât unfair. Theyâre just better.
2-10 people joined an EBG and worked better as a team than your team and they won. Thatâs what premades are. Even if 30+ people were somehow getting into EBGâs how is that unfair when itâs still 40vs40, everyone has the same access to gear and the same ping/chat system to communicate and the same playing field.
Iâm almost fully geared for PvP, I play pretty well and I play for objectives. I use pings and use chat and top the healing meter in every EBG I join. Iâm usually the only one doing objectives or thinking about Towers in AV or pushing flag in WG or getting the buffs in Ashran and it sucks.
Most of both teams are literal bots who cannot go AA when it spawns the second time in Ashran or backcap in AV or teamfight at anything other than SR in WG.
Joining those same EBGâs with 2-4 other players like me who are willing to play the objectives and push buttons is so impactful that it wins the game 90% of the time. Having 2-3 actual players spin towers in AV or push the flag at SR or teamfight properly in IoC or Ashran is so OP thatâs is the source of the all the complaints in this thread.
The bar in EBGâs is set so low that having a party of players is already probably winning you the game vs the other team of bots.
Seeing so many people cry about premades like theyâre cheating or somehow unfair is insane. If a few players PLAYING THE GAME AND OBJECTIVES is tantamount to cheating in your eyes then youâre the problem. WoW is also an MMO lmao. Players are supposed to play together and work together.
Iâd also like to know what exactly do you guys think is unfair about premades? Random players or pre-grouped players are the same thing in-game. Same gear, same specs, same 40vs40 teams same chat, same pings, same everything right? I donât actually see what is so bad about premade groups other than theyâre players who are willing to read and work as a team?
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As ones ages they become more like their parents. The whole economy worse thing is planned by people way above the regular man/womanâs pay grade. Otherwise I agree with everything else youâve said.
I somewhat agree with your post, however, the real issue isnât âpremadesâ itâs queue syncers. One or two group of friends is vastly different than 25+ people queue syncing to get into an EBG who are coordinated on Comms and often griefing people because they know they wonât lose. Also those queue syncers will also most often chicken out if they see they are going against another queue sync group because they want easy wins and to roflstomp the enemy team not actually play a sweaty game.
I still say the easiest way to allow premade (5 man) to continue use to group together but break queue syncing for the most part would be to make it all cross faction. Then youâd get queue syncers going up against the people they are trying to sync with and they wouldnât be happy about it because they want easy wins. I also support cross account for deserter buffs and for people who drop / miss more than one BG pop in a row (this would allow for a quick oops I missed the queue because I ran to the bathroom, while crushing queue syncing as a whole because they often drop multiple games I a row, as long as it was account wide )
So yeah, keep 5 man groups for people who want to play with friends, but break the queue syncing for those people who like to cheese and ruin the game for their fellow players.
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Whatâs unfair about bringing a premade raid on voice chat into a bracket that does not allow players to queue up as a raid group?
Advantages of a premade raid on voice chat over a random assortment of pugs:
- More coordination
- More healers
- More meta specs
- More gear
- More experience playing together
Premade raids circumvent competitive restrictions to unfairly stack their team. Thus, their ~95% win rates.
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Its the polices fault those people robbed that granny on the street too. There should be no morality or accountability on the perpatrators part.
Jeesh, the mental gymnastics used to rationalize loathesome behavior is astounding.
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Broadly, your just wrong on so many fronts all Iâm going to say is âŚâŚyour not convincing anyone.
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Pardon?
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My parents were boomers who failed to prepare for their retirement. Gen X didnât have it much better than millennials. Weâve dealt with stagnant wages and rising costs all our lives. Getting sick caused financial ruin for me and wiped out all of my hard earned savings. My family did manage to get a house for cheap in an expensive area, so we are fortunate there. Everything else sucks though.
I know a lot of pugs who do try and play the objectives except they just get rolled at every team fight cause they are not stacking meta dps and 11 healers.
What would happen if a team went to roc after aa spawned after initial fight what exactly would go differently than the first encounter where in they all got displacered and 1 shot by 3 fire mages?
And premades know the team fight plays a big role in who wins which is why they make it borderline impossible for them to possibly lose the teamfight with their 11 healers and 3 tanks.
That is incorrect in the current game. Maybe back in 2008
First time hearing about this, sorry to hear it 
When did this occur?
wow, i meant that age comment to remark on how im not as competitive and hyper dominate as i used to be so i donât really push for ranking anymore. something that normally happens as you age.
Charming went on some rant about generations and the economy and failed to see the forest for the trees.
well i was writing, i guess iâll have to make something to post in that playlist eventually.
yeah, i remember it a lot like this:
enron happened âoh sorry, grandpa lost his nest egg and needs to move inâ
dot com crash and 9/11 âoh sorry, thereâs no money for you to go to college anymore, youâre gonna need student loansâ
get out of the military in 2008 âoh sorry, thereâs no jobs, and the ones available only pay nothing an hourâ
2012 âoh sorry, you need to make X amount to buy a houseâ
2013 âoh sorry, you need to make X amount to buy a houseâ
2014 âoh sorry, you need to make X amount to buy a houseâ
2015 âoh sorry, you need to make X amount to buy a houseâ
2016 âoh sorry, you need to make X amount to buy a houseâ
2017 âoh sorry, you need to make XX amount to buy a houseâ
2018 âoh sorry, you need to make XXX amount to buy a houseâ
2019 "oh sorry, you need to make XXXX amount to buy a house "
2020 âoh look, there are no jobs againâ
2021 âoh sorry, there are no houses available to buyâ
2022 âoh sorry, there are no houses available to buyâ
2023 âoh sorry, you need to make XXXXXX to buy a houseâ
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I was not saying your wrong, the guy defending Que syncing premade raid guy is the one Iâm calling out. Sorry for the misunderstanding
They know youâre not talking to them.
Theyâre known for pointing out spelling/grammar mistakes in forum posts (e.g. âyouâreâ vs. âyourâ).
Dude, I feel this in my soul lol 
From what I remember not only was the job market but there seemed to be an epidemic of underemployment as well
I remember things were sooooo bad there were older people with Masterâs Degrees applying for minimum wage jobs, even places like McDonaldâs were âfullâ and not hiring⌠it was kinda disturbing to see that as a soon-to-be college grad myself.
First thing that came to mind is âif these laid-off 2008 victims with 15+ years experience and Masterâs degrees are struggling to find work, whatâs gonna happen to me?â 
It was just a TOTAL employerâs job market back then, they could be super picky even for minimum wage $10/hour type jobs - and they were. The underemployment levels were every bit as bad as the unemployment levels, the whole thing was a mess in the years immediately following 2008 (2009, 2010, 2011, 2012) as the ripple effects of the crash were felt/kicked in
To be honest the economy has never felt the quite the same ever since that 2008 crash, this ânew normalâ we currently live in feels noticeably different than the overall vibe pre-2008
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