The Elo system works based on the number of players, not the number of games played. To gain rating, you need to take it from other players. If there are fewer players, there’s less rating to go around, which causes problems. This is especially noticeable in games like Guild Wars 2, where reaching Gold 3 (about 200 Elo above the starting point) already puts you in the top 10%, even though it’s not a huge jump in rating.
Ya, I could be wrong but it makes sense why mmr would throttle right where it is. Also it makes total sense to do it, the gameplay is trash and the unique rewards to the bracket are almost as bad.
Yeah but I mean when you’re looking at 116k games vs 16k it’s pretty obvious which ones gonna have more players too. Games played is a decent proxy for number of players especially when comparing 2 very similar things to each other.
Right I mean I’d prob stop there as well. Actually I got 1800 and stopped lol.
Maybe, is games played meaning rounds or lobbies for the shuffle?
Haha ya, BGB has completely replaced it for me. So much more fun and actually a real soloq.
Rounds. Each round=1 game as far as rating is concerned (12 points a win on average).
fr fr (love aggravating my family with this)
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So the players diff really isn’t all that off then between the two brackets. 1 player plays one game in 3s vs 6 games in shuff.
BGB is actually unfathomably based and I hope shuffle gets axed in its staggering presence.
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Yeah but the mmr moved. If you’re at 2400 mmr but at a 1800 cr, your cr wont go down for the loss. This also occurs in shuffle.
I still think it would be? The same people spam games in 3’s one right after the other. People sit in 30 minute shuffle queues for a round of games. People are far less likely on average to sit multiple shuffle queues so there’s probably far more unique players creating the lobbies. One guy said he had access to data showing unique players as well, I think it was that weird MW player and he said there were way more unique players in shuffle. Not sure where he got that from though.
The top guys will be better than 50%. But they gotta take mmr from the rest of us who are going 3/3.
Iunno just using napkin math the unique players diff looked very minimal and if ppl are doing what I think they are it would absolutely destroy top end mmr like the shuffle is seeing.
Theres more players in blitz than solo shuffle right now, so I don’t see your point that you’re trying to make here.
Just that if you compare shuffle to 3’s the top end rating difference doesn’t make sense to me. Why compare shuffle to blitz when they are closer together when we can compare 2 brackets with a huge discrepancy which would make it way more obvious if anything was being done behind the scenes to hold rating back.
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oh dang you mean no one goes for the pennant kekw
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I think it’s as simple as 3s top end rewards are worth going for.
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Yep I discounted that at first then in my reply I realized I quit at 1800 so…yeah how can I say others aren’t doing the very thing I did.
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Where are you guys looking at games played? When I look at checkpvp it says over 300k shuffle games vs over 100 blitz games. And given that blitz has 3X more players, it’s safe to assume blitz doesn’t actually have that many more people playing. Unless there’s actual unique player numbers somewhere else
https://drustvar.com/leaderboard/activity
https://seramate.com/eu/activity?type=3v3&timeframe=24h&page=1&rating=[0,2600]&perPage=50
https://check-pvp.fr/activities
Oh and here’s pretty good evidence that they are holding back shuffle rating imo:
To me this means they implemented something after DF S1 crazy inflation to limit shuffle rating getting out of whack with 3’s rating.
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They’re not though shuffle mmr is very clearly being throttled
Pretending like there’s nothing after 1950 but somehow 3s people are finding the will power to push well beyond that this early in the season is absolute cope lmao. People are forgetting how degenerate solo q players can be, they are going to keep pressing the queue button until they can’t queue anymore regardless of the rewards available. Like there was no glad reward in shufle but it still dwarfed 3s in participation in DF
Shuffle can go die in a fire for all i care let’s keep things a buck here and not gaslight people into thinking something isn’t going on with MMR when something clearly is. It’s always the same doomer boomers spouting rubbish about shuffle because they feel the mode personally wronged them somehow
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