Let the Horde soft-dissolve, each race/nation making it up retiring to their own lands to tend to their people, take it easy, and cultivate whatever good things they’ve been needing or missing out on because of all the war.
Which makes it all the more likely to happen.
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Bring on The Black Empire I say.
^@%$ up Azeroth so bad neither the Alliance nor the Horde can continue to exist as a global super power and civilization reverts to each race desperately trying to keep their own alive.
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Imagine a game where we didn’t have to choose between Mary Sues. Imagine a game where we actually got a character instead of a collection of catch phrases foisted upon us by an overeager dev.
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Personally I reckon that Thrall was a bit of a Mary Sue as of Cata. Even a self-insert, according to Metzen’s interviews.
He’s far from it now. He’s developed. He’s made mistakes and acknowledged them. If anything he’s a broken shell of his former self. That can be worked with.
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Dont worry I’m sure they’ll put Baine “genocide doesnt bother me but mind controlling one forsaken does” Bloodhoof on the throne next.
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Debatable.
“I wish I could change it all. Cairne. Garrosh. Theramore. Sometimes I feel like I did everything wrong.”
I dunno, it’s pretty explicit.
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but is he actually going to do anything about it?
Talk is cheap, action is rich.
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Rescuing Baine and returning from Outland are already steps towards doing something about it, in my opinion. As is attempting to mend things with Jaina, at least on some level.
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I hate to be a downer (lol y’all know that’s a lie) but I’ve gotta remind everybody that these characters are being written by people who don’t understand or care how characters work. Whatever comes next may or may not make a lick of sense.
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So was his “no, I did nothing wrong, it’s all ur fault” line back in Nagrand.
Feels like he’s basically neutral on responsibility at this point.
Did you read the new leak? It is exactly what we thought it would be.
There’s a new leak?
I confess I don’t pay much attention to them.
I mean Garrosh was responsible for his own actions imo. Thrall’s mistake was appointing him.
Garrosh can’t be absolved of responsibility. He could have been a very different warchief. He even showed great potential at times. But in the end, he chose his own destiny.
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Where is this new leak?
It cropped up on MMO-Champion’s forums, but (fair warning) I can’t find it there right now. It got transcribed to this thread, though. Take it with a grain of salt, but it looks extremely stupid.
"Patch 8.3:
>The last boss of BfA was indeed shown in the Azshara defeat cinematic, but it’s more metaphorical than people realize. The last boss is us: Alliance & Horde, as indicated by the last shot of Jaina and Lor’themar. Azshara and N’Zoth are both bosses in the next expansion. We won’t be facing them again (at least physically) in BfA.
>Sylvanas will prepare a strike against Thunder Bluff, tricking both the Alliance and Horde into defending it. During this distraction, she will invade and conquer Stormwind. The latter will be explained through a comic released in October.
>It has always been the plan to finish the expansion with a raid-version of Stormwind. Therefore, patch 8.3 includes a 10-boss raid within Elwynn and the city itself, along with a complementary, all-new 40-player battleground.
>In the raid, Horde and Alliance players fight alongside important lore characters and leaders from both factions.
>Sylvanas has already taken Stormwind at this point. The raid is about defeating Sylvanas and reclaiming Stormwind.
>The first boss is a sort of caravan-escort scenario. An azerite-powered battering ram made by goblins & gnomes will start at Goldshire and travel slowly towards the gates of Stormwind. Waves of adds will attack the ram in an attempt to destroy it.
>The second boss is Old God aligned and has enslaved city guards and other famous Stormwind NPCs (such as Topper McNabb).
>Another notable boss is Anduin. Halfway through the raid, he will succumb to the whispers of N’Zoth. We must fight him until he returns to his former self. Wrathion makes a special appearance during this fight. N’Zoth is trying very hard to keep us from reaching Sylvanas.
>The 8th boss is Nathanos. This encounter takes place in Cathedral Square. Tyrande decapitates him at the end of the fight.
>The penultimate boss is Sylvanas. She awaits us in Stormwind Harbor. MASSIVE SPOILERS NOW. BE WARNED!
>Sylvanas is the first of two encounters that comprise the grand finale of BfA. Alliance and Horde will fight side by side against Sylvanas until Bolvar eventually appears and starts killing Horde leaders – first to go is Lor’themar. Bolvar will then side with Taelia and the Alliance. Sylvanas will shoot Genn in response, prompting the intermission.
>During the intermission, all of the Horde leaders will rejoin Sylvanas. Genn dies, and Anduin and Jaina declare war on the Horde. The final fight begins.
>The final boss is ‘The Horde’ or ‘The Alliance’. This encounter is cosmetically unique to each faction, but strategically identical. Horde will win once Anduin is dead, and Alliance will win once Sylvanas is dead.
>The encounter has been designed to have your faction’s leaders die one by one as the opposing faction’s health ticks down. The players will all die as well (like the Arthas fight), with Anduin and Sylvanas being the last ones standing.
>A cinematic will play once the encounter is over. Anduin will end up killing Sylvanas or vice versa (depending on your faction), only to die of his/her wounds. Ultimately, everyone will be dead, and the harbor will be silent. Characters will then wake up in the Shadowlands, and a ghostly fleet of Helya’s ships awaits us in the death version of Stormwind Harbor. With Nathanos by her side, Sylvanas declares that we’re now strong enough to face the true battle for Azeroth.
>A short teaser-cinematic starring Gallywix and Mekkatorque will be shown at Blizzcon in November. Gallywix, who fled from the fight in Stormwind, will eventually find King Mekkatorque’s escape pod and awaken him from suspended animation. Together they figure out what happened and construct a device that will allow us to enter and leave the Shadowlands at will. Their cooperation lays the groundwork for the new Tinker class. The device is rumored to be the ‘Dalaran Hearthstone’ of 9.0, given to you at the end of the introductory questline. It works like monks’ Transcendence ability.
>Calia is the interim Forsaken faction leader during the raid.
>BfA’s patch release schedule feels slower because the plan is to lead into 9.0 much quicker than ever before after the release of 8.3.
>You can have a physical form in the Shadowlands if you are brought there artificially, either by its denizens (such as spirit healers) or by means of ‘dimensional’ technology.
>The Dragon Isles, the Shadowlands and the Old Gods have a much deeper connection than one would think. This is explained by lots of quests and dungeons, but I don’t know any specifics besides the shrines in Dragonblight and on the Dragon Isles being connected to the Shadowlands, somehow. This connection will also play a major role and be explored in the patches going forward. The Curse of Flesh also plays a role in this."
That is the supposed leak. This sounds like it leads perfectly into the Shadowlands leak I saw a while back claiming it will be revealed that Sylvanas has been doing all this at the behest of Helya because Ny’olatha has made it’s way into the Shadowlands and we have to ally with Helya(Horde)/Elune(Alliance) to defeat them.
I’m not giving my opinion on this thing’s quality, but I believe it. I mean I’m not saying someone actually found out what the expansion was and leaked it. I just mean it’s plausible.
Especially this. She literally gets a Draenor Is Free moment.
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It paints Sylvanas and Nathanos as these brilliant strategists and the only ones in the waking world that REALLY know what is going on and seems to do it’s damnedest to say “see she committed genocide for a really good reason” without literally coming out and saying it.
of course it’s plausible.
The up side is if this trash pile is true it makes it all the easier for me to stay unsubbed.
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