The reason why Havoc DH is still bad in PvP and will get even worse next patch

Another thing I like to do vs melee is play fly. I know a lot of people say it’s troll, but it actually does a lot of meaningful damage and makes you basically unkillable because you can rotate it with blur basically every DR.

Will one of these DH bros tell us who is killing them because all the numbers say you guys are just as tanky as ever. We need some context here!

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I forgot about fly! Super fun. I’ve won some super sweaty games vs melee with that ability. Also good in blitz for node spins!

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Release the drag a bit and let them run with the bait, tire em out then reel all the fat fish in.

bm hunters as well as any rogue/feral DO absolutely SHRED DHs.

That being said, I feel like every class dies to those specs.

I think that over the past couple expansions, some classes (warrior, DH, DK for example) are used to just being immortal and not having to play differently. I think blizzard actually has done a better job in making every class actually die now (lock for example) which is overall much better for game health IMO.

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genuinely is it? I’d be worried about the missile travel time with how fast blitz caps are, but I could absolutely see it being really good in melee skirms

100% this.

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So by this fantastic logic

Why does Warrior get to press W without impunity
DK
Rogue
Windwalker
Ret
Every single other melee?

lol

because they can

Currently playing only Havoc and Outlaw :frowning_face:

DH needs the second meta to kill anything , like you just aren’t killing anything before that. Outside of meta your dam is just too weak and eye beam without haste ona full channel feels bad, sure you can’t get kicked but they will use every other cc on you. It’s still fun to play, unique play style and the CC/Control is pretty good but damage outside of meta and a stronger DCD needs to replace Darkness because I’ve pre darked so many stuns or ones on my team mates and it hasn’t done anything at all. Literally joke defensive

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Outlaw does everything better except your go is kinda based on your roll and how lucky you get getting combo points when you’re spamming Between the Eyes. Which is whatever but they literally do everything better than DH and have more mobility

? Did you mean “with impunity”?
Because you can ABSOLUTELY punish and kill an overextended warrior, I do it all the time o.O

Very killable by melee, harder to kill as a caster tho because short ams is kinda nutty; that’s getting nerfed though, for good reason.

Extremely punishable if they try to W key.

This one is the exception, I don’t even see ww put ports down most of the time XD

Also killable.

Further, with the exception of ww, none of the classes have as much mobility as DH does.

Outlaw has WAY better control, but also has significantly less damage, so it’s a tradeoff.

Outlaw is definitely the premier melee for enabling a caster, though.

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This is exactly why, just like before (lolret) you focus pink until they die and yes they die.

Sanc? Warriors got a better version now
BoP and freedom both sloten dispelled purged, theres a priest mage shaman warrior every single game.

If you dont want to deal with a meager damage transfer on a min cd you go ret and they will die.

Next question?

Yeah if ret is so squishy and bad as you say how come all I fight the past 8 seasons when doing my 50 wins is ret comps that dr every stun running a single target down

Because the skill floor for dh is much higher in this expansion and most dh mains are low skill players

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Most arena players get psyoped into believing certain specs are livelords when in reality they are not. Ret is one of them you burn through both dp and sov in the same go and just eat away at their immunities/dispell/purge.

Sac is not the go stopped most believe

Yeah idk see you hit ret and you have to get through revival cocoon ret wall/sov intervene rally war fear Sanc (healers second trinket) bop lay bubble

Hit anything else add sac

It’s not even really just a ret problem it’s a Cupid ret/war problem and no offense I see you’re a soloq player so maybe you just don’t know about that

There’s a difference between being overextended and being in ur healers line and ur healer not being in CC yet still struggling to keep you up

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DHs are annoying for me to kill as a WW, they can easily avoid all my FoFs with a fel rush press and are very slippery

I feel like their biggest weakness is just their lack of kill pressure atm. They have good sustain but their burst is just trash. My DH’s Hunt literally hitting for the same as 1 RSK from my WW

If they buff the Hunt’s damage by 50%, it’ll hit for about how much 1 RWK from my MW hits for…

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Dh is good like arms is good

if you play perfect you do ok

Anything less and ur 1800 forever

Spec is just too hard for the average player

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I think its better than okay. I sent boxes to it and q’d and grabbed the 1800 set pretty easy and haven’t played my dh other than lvling it in a long time.

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