Referring to 2s and 3s
It’s sweaty, it’s unfun for most people, there’s no decent rewards
Most players, myself included would rather queue random BGs, especially now that gearing is easy and Arena isn’t mandatory for conquest farming.
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Rated arenas is not for fun, is for bragging rights. Its always the same old people fighting each other, year after year.
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The reason why arena died was because they removed % titles and couldnt come up with a way to combat the problem of rating deflation/inflation during the season. So now you have people who get glad once and then the next season is 100 times harder and they are now stuck at 1800 so they just quit the game. In a game of goals having the posts move is never a good thing to do.
That plus several versions of wow arena being available.
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I predict with MoP classic retail pvp will be ghost town
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People will play the first week or so then realise that things like beast cleave are the most braindead comps in the game and that is all they will vs hunter comps. You think bm is bad now wait till you vs survival or mm beast cleave.
The problem with “classic arenas” is they are always played on the final patches. You don’t get the ebb and flow that the seasons actually created during those expansions. You’ll just spam queue whatever class / comp was the best in the final season or lose.
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Mop classic is going to be tuned around the final patch of the expansion.
Thats why I said it enhance wasnt crazy till the ToT balancing patch. Im not talking about anything before like the bm stampede 1 shot and other things, survival and mm got a huge increase as ToT came in and from then on beast cleave become insane for 1 shotting anything outside of god comp and wls.
Except at the end of MoP there was tons of different comps at the top, there was no singular ruler of all.
Every comp running had a counter comp, sometimes multiples.
My man that vitalic rogue had 13 r1 rogues from just full botting, mop was fun because people didnt know how to play the game at 2800.
Yea, that’s the biggest part of it. Why waste time grinding rating when you can wait till the end of the season, be 200+ mmr higher, and likely have faster queues.
That said, PvP in general just isn’t as fun as it used to be. All the immunities are tiring. The complete lack of casting. Some specs with tons of mobility, other specs with not enough. Too many defensives in the game now. Too many specs getting kills with minimal amounts of or almost no setup.
Game feels directionless.
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thats probably the most cooked take about mop I’ve seen in a while
MOP was fun because every spec felt fun to play and you didn’t auto lose vs anything. The overall balancing was abysmal but it was superceded by the ability to be fun
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mop had the most diversity, but before mop cata & wrath were quite diverse compared to their classic counterparts. I think classic simply excels at forcing a meta even if the meta doesn’t reflect the strengths of comps. see no afflocks except for chan on wrath as basically nobody wanted to play warlock well they just wanted to destro ele things. crazy to think of a wrath were there was no aff rsham x rep but that’s what we got.
Also worth noting that classes don’t play 1:1 to their actual live counterparts. current classic example is cata fire mage. Cata fire mage couldn’t jump DB an entire map by expanding the range & radius for the DB Cone. That’s some modern client spaghetti coding. Cata fire mage also had actual consecutive crit requirements for hot streak, but cata classic can backlog crits from hours ago and the clients misinterpreting how to proc Hot steak, resulting in the most oppressive spam of meatballs. literally feels like mop fire mage but in cata.
what i’m getting at with the above is we don’t know what kind of jank blizzard is going to introduce when they port mop onto the modern client.
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Make a few arena pieces (like upgraded weapons) BiS in pve and participation will skyrocket.
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MMR system is trash. It favors the players that save their queues until the end of the season when the inflation is at its highest.
It’s such a backwards, trash, low IQ designed system that it’s insane how it’s still part of any game in the year 2024.
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I didn’t play mop, but im confident that if retail arena right now turned into a clone of mop we’d see the exact same complaints we see every day about NERF abc, XYZ op, worst balance we’ve ever had, shadowlands was better, etc.
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For me it’s complaints about cc then fondly reminiscing about mop.
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This. PvE players live to grind stuff for a gearing edge as well so it’s fine.
I was playing arena last night and the meta isn’t that fun rn, but it’s still better than most other games.
Yeah I mean WoW is actually an insanely good game when you look at how polished it is, how much content is offered, and just overall how fun it is to play. It’s just we’re all so used to it by now we take it for granted.
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