Again, you’re stating your opinion of what P2W is… that’s something we’ll never agree on, because I can’t purchase special items that no one can get in game.
I wasn’t aware that /roll cared how much gold someone had.
You are aware of what a bid is right?
As opposed to a purchase?
Shockinawe, I do that. And there’s countless logs (as I only post on my mains) where you can see me doing it. I was very clear and explicit in my first post. I do not do it, I didn’t even call for them to be banned. But there’s a huge potential for RMT in them. I suggested a gold cap on items as a potential solution as it means people can compete without having the most gold. But instead, people focused on me saying they were pay 2 win as they are.
In my case, which you did not respond to admittedly, I am using the definition of DrinkNBlink aka the cambridge definition, which states that it provides advantage. Which buying gold in a GDKP does do.
Pay to win includes pay for convenience whether you like it or not kid.
Only if you can explain how that convenience is somehow getting something otherwise unavailable.
Which you refuse to do.
It’s not my fault you’re too daft to understand the examples Ive given.
The example you gave was if an item drops you might win it.
Not sure why you think that can only happen if you RMT, cause I see a ton of BFD runs that are MS > OS.
My point is you’re overstating the advantage gdkp gives. If the phases were super short, then gdkp would have more impact. But you can be in near full bis just doing runs normally. Someone that buys gear can’t get gear other than what drops in a raid.
While RMT gold inflates prices of some things, the bots farming gold to sell are farming countless items that are used in consumes, making raiding cheap. There will be some things that can’t be farmed, like greens, that will be more expensive. But I’d argue they are more expensive because you get gold from quests.
Furthermore, those that choose not to participate in gdkp can take advantage of higher prices to make gold.
The whole point of gold is to make playing sustainable. When you don’t have to go out int he world and farm anymore, gold becomes irrelevant. I see the point that this is a negative for some, but for others like myself that want to do other things with my time besides farm gold, I think it’s a good thing.
Never said the word “might”.
So you can’t understand anything, you have zero logic, AND you can’t read.
Yikes.
Someone who gets that the bots make raiding cheaper than anything and somehow doesnt mean someone who bought a sword in a gdkp doesnt make raid consumes cost more.
Im hella stupid, im a stupid truck driver.
Well, it doesn’t seem like you know what an opinion is… 
The whole concept of P2W is subjective from person to person… take crud for example.
I still don’t see that as P2W, because as long as I can find the item in game and get it myself… I don’t care if someone else dropped dollars, got into a GDKP and was able to out bid everyone else. Good for them.
So let’s discuss this a bit. Firstly, we have to point out that in saying I am overstating the advantage of GDKP’s, that there is one. And in doing so, that’s an admission that it’s pay to win, as we have established that the definition of pay 2 win is an advantage.
Moving to quantify how much of an advantage it is becomes circumstantial and context specific. Which is irrelevant to my argument.
Yes my friend but why do the bots farm gold? And sell consumes? We both know why. And they do not make it cheap, they keep the prices profitably steady and reasonably expensive because they control the market. I would know, because I do it too. People see cheap, they flip and make it expensive.
The fact that you can get gold from quests doesn’t mean RMT doesn’t cause gold inflation. It just means that they both do. Surely you’re reasonable enough to understand that?
This seems to only happen in era.
In the other versions raiding got cheaper and cheaper as time went on and not more expensive.
Being technically correct is less important than assessing the overall impact on the game. WoW is hardly competitive and someone buying gear in a gdkp has a negligible impact on the game. A guild of gold buyers will not be at an advantage compared to a guild that cleared every lockout. They will probably be at a disadvantage because they depend on others to have content on farm.
That is unknown.
Unless you have numbers showing that the percent of people who do GDKP’s who buy gold is significantly higher then the percentage of the average wow playerbase you cannot say whether or not GDKP causes RMT any more then say buying stuff on the AH cause RMT.
I mean you want the story to be true because your prejudices scream at you that it is true and every GDKP player is a dirty gold buyer, but without numbers the truth is you don’t know.
This is circumstantial again because in retail, the AH is linked globally so control is impossible and the game is designed differently.
In era I can’t speculate, but I know in classic, TBCC and WOTLKC it has been the case as I do it myself. You see money you make money.
Okay so though this is moving away from my central argument to one to quantify the impact. And even yourself admitted this can be really difficult and circumstantial, varying by how long the phase is, how rare the loot is etc. I didn’t go into it for that reason.
GDKP’s vary and there aren’t generally “GDKP guilds.” They’re often buyers from different guilds that join someones run to get gear for their character. This can be for their mains, alts etc and it’s well understood that if you have the money, it’s the best way to get geared. Sweaty guilds will even tell raiders to buy and join different GDKP’s, buy all the items that drop for them and then raid together to destroy the content. So comparing a gdkp raid vs a guild raid might make it easier but it isn’t as clear cut.
funny story it just happened again with some named valaratoo on crusader strike. Dunno why 100g is so much to these people to ruin the game for many guess theyre selling gold and dont care about the account.