He has done no such thing. At all.
All he has done is forgiven Horde atrocity - yet again - in exchange for a temporary ceasefire (IE: appeasement) AND set up his own faction up for a Civil War.
“These ceasefires with the Horde… they never last.”
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Honestly, I’m more concerned about the tree more than the elves. Isn’t teldrassil built upon a Kaldorei version of the sunwell to cover it’s arcane signature so that the legion and other potential celestial threats can’t sense it?
If so, the burning of the tree will bite all our rears later down the road.
The elves can recover, but I’m not quite sure about the tree.
No, that’s Nordrassil in Mount Hyjal. Teldrassil’s location has no special significance.
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Shh … don’t bring this up.
Don’t bring up the idea that his gamble with Saurfang actually payed off and did exactly what he wanted it to. That him apparently holding the Alliance back enough to let a Horde rebellion form worked REALLY well. That he effectively split the Horde in half, with the majority of its noted leaders siding with his “gamble” … and it ended the war far sooner than it other-wize likely would have. But HOW DARE he not commit to a worthless, emotion fueled front on the other side of the world when he had a WORLD WAR to wage?
Look, I may not like everything Anduin does, but the decision to NOT overextend in Darkshore (and prioritize the WHOLE war effort instead); and his gambit with Saurfang … aren’t decisions I’ll criticize him for. He was RIGHT in his first choice (for once), he got lucky with his second one (he won the friggen lottery with that move).
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Who would win?
A final battle to end the war and stop all the bloodshed, saving thousands of lives in the process?
Or
One dark beachy boi?
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Another classic Tyierin post! 
oh yea id be mad to.
I mean, he lent part of an army, and Saurfang is the only one who died after getting Sylvanas to confess. Now we can go replant tree’s with the night elves and kill all the Sylvanas loyalists while we hold hands!
He has, because now the horde and the alliance are going after Sylvanas. Whether they are fighting for Anduin, or for their own purposes, there are now twice as many people fighting against Anduin’s enemy.
You make it sound like Tyrande and the Night Elves were not part of the Alliance and/or that Saurfang and his Horde ARE part of the Alliance.
I’d like to see her anger and crazy need for vengeance come back to bite her.
There’s a reason people say never attack in anger.
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What did I say to make it sound like that?
You’re inferring that the factor was time.
But the argument is that when Tyrande asked for help her people were (and still are) in the alliance.
But when Saurfang and the Horde are NOT in the alliance.
Yet for some reason Anduin turned down Tyrande.
Because timing was everything. When she asked, he was overextended. Now, more than a year later, the Alliance forces are no longer in Zuldazar. Now, he has some forces to spare.
Also, he didn’t turn her down outright. He asked for her to be patient because he already had troops committed elsewhere.
Anduin’s enemies are right next to him - the same people he’s trying to make peace with. Sylvanas was just their figurehead.
Sylvanas didn’t torch Teldrissil by herself, despite what Blizzard would like everyone to believe. Our current “allies” enabled her and carried out her orders… and just because they feel bad about it doesn’t excuse them. Just as it didn’t at Theramore, despite what Blizzard made everyone on Alliance swallow.
I just find it hilariously bad writing and indicative of where Blizzard’s at right now… that all of Anduin’s biggest fans and supporters seem to be Horde players. Hell, you want him so bad, make him your Warchief - you can have him.
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Gosh, if this was the request, I’d pull every soldier from every garrison and send help asap.
Well, you know how it is: liberal-leaning white man in power with a savior complex. Like we haven’t seen THAT before.
I’ve never respected Tyrande. She was always just this porcelain doll hiding away in her temple, then in Legion, just a mewling ball of tears. But, boy, did BfA somehow make me find some hidden depths for my non-existent respect for her to plunge.
I’ve never understood how any elf could let the humans rule over them all these years, but after these recent events to still be licking that boot…geeze. Have some pride, Kaldorei. Have some pride.
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I used to think Blizzard’s writing was bad. I do not think that after 8.2.5. I think that while the War Campaign could of had more in it, what we got was well executed. Sure there were a few rough patches that made me blink, but honestly that’s probably a matter of taste. Never thought I would say this, but after having played the War Campaign out, both Alliance and Hordeside; I honestly hope Steve Danuser and Christie Golden continue to be in charge of the direction of the story.
I’ll tell you why also.
I’ve realized a lot of my issue with the story was not the story itself. It was the time-gating which they had nothing to do with. I often thought Sylvanas was above any sort of consequences for her actions. I was very, very wrong.
Sylvanas was held accountable for her disregard for life. The Horde saw it, the Forsaken (aside from a couple of die-hard fanatics) saw it, and as a result she lost everything she’d built for years in a few seconds. That’s… deep.
No one, myself or anyone else can say Sylvanas has ‘‘plot armor’’ ever again. She clearly does not. Sure she dominated Saurfang, but she’s also an Elf and a Undead one that’s hopped up on Void magic. She also fought Orcs in the Second War more than likely, and has hundreds of years of experience. If anything they showcased what it means to fight a Elf.
The most we were promised was that Sylvanas would make Garrosh seem a amateur, and that she would never let herself be in a situation like him. She is doing just that. She fled as soon as things went south and just like in Warcraft III sought solace amongst her Banshees. Now we can only wait and see what happens in 8.3 (or 9.0). I expect it will be jaw dropping however.
In short when Blizzard made Sylvanas face some real consequences (and losing the Horde IS a consequence whether you admit it or not), it renewed both my faith in the franchise, and my faith in the writers.
Anyone who says Nathanos is a self-insert can shove it as far as I’m concerned. My opinion was X, but now it’s Y. It’s been changed by the only thing that could of changed it. Action, consequence and immutable fact.
Fact. Sylvanas faced consequences for her actions.
Fact. She will face more. The Forsaken, Horde and Alliance are hunting her.
Fact. Nathanos has her back because of their shared history.
Nathanos might be a ‘dark mirror’ but that is completely fine. As we saw in Final Fantasy IV with Cecil, that simply means he’s the worst aspects of a human being given life. If you find any other meaning in it, that’s your own personal bias being projected. Try being positive and optimistic about the story.
Blizzard is telling a good one, and Sylvanas has the potential to become the WoW equivalent of Mannimarco, the King of Worms from the Elder Scrolls series. But remember this.
If your ears are plugged with so much anger and hate that you can’t hear or see what Blizzard is writing, that’s on you. It’s not Blizzard’s fault. Remove the blinders from your eyes and then maybe you’ll be able to see that as well. I’m looking forward to the next chapter.
Disagree with me if you wish, but at least keep it civil.
I have mentioned several times on these forums my negative feelings for Anduin. He looks weak, like he is always on the verge of crying. I don’t think he is a good leader to follow his father, Blizzard should have made him more of a man, and less unsure. I’m not sure why you’re insinuating I’m one of his big fans.
That said, one of the smartest things you could ever do, in any war, ever, is get your enemies to turn on themselves.