It’s the self-sustain and defensives being gutted. Most melee who were somewhat durable before are now paper when the healer is cc’ed (minus feral, they are just special).
I knew the changes would have an impact, but it’s become glaringly obvious that it’s a negative one for the pvp meta and comps.
Defensives weren’t gutted for any class, but also things NEED to die. No melee (or ranged) should be able to W key without being afraid of dying.
Nonsense. it’s a melee/caster/healer meta. Just get on your melee class main and ask for buffs directly.
Cute posting this on a caster.
Not what I said; you’re arguing with a point you created.
Self heals were essentially cut in half for many specs in tww.
Imagine a world where people play multiple classes.
Go look at the spec representation across game modes – it’s almost a 70:30 split between ranged and melee, especially after dk got some nerfs.
It is pretty funny how this forum loves to complain way more when ranged are stronger vs when melee are stronger, I guess that’s the result when the majority of its posters are Warrior mains (not saying you are one, just that most people here are).
I think destro lock is the most miserable spec to play in rss so far, honestly.
I do love me some warrior, but dk and enhance are more fun.
On a side note, I’d prefer they’d cut down mobility across the board instead of defensives so that casters are rewarded for casting instead of needing to be based around instant casts to succeed and melee are rewarded for proper mobility management with giant damage when they do connect.
Couldn’t agree more here. It’s an absolute shame that the casting meta has become things like ice lance spam because you’ll pretty much never get a glacial spike off.
Chaos bolt is a nightmare to use outside of precog windows. Hard casting lava burst basically never happens.
What defensives were gutted? o.O
Seems like everyone got more of everything. Seems like more of an issues of slows and mobility/outs. Hard to connect and when you do there is almost always a counter.
Speaking from a melee vantage point, a lot of it is just how difficult it is to stay on a lot of ranged specs and how annoying the game has gotten. Pair a ranged with a rogue and most melee aren’t touching any range for long. Like playing into assas mage or boomi is a complete nightmare on my enhance. Ignoring how strong or weak anything is, it’s just not fun. 
Yea, I want that as well. Makes me think the game is too far gone though. Current dev teams seems lost.
It’s the same feeling a lot of people have when playing against double melee as a caster that isn’t Mage, you just don’t get space.
i watched my homie stream 2.4(SS) on 2 destro locks it did have bad matchups but its mostly just BM hunters he struggled versus atleast from my pov watching
2400+ SS
Melee (188) Ranged (303) Healer (95)
Pretty much how it goes.
Playing warrior into double mage is awful, and playing lock into double warrior is awful.
Not sure how to help that experience, either, because it’s very matchup dependent.
But… ranged meta.
I’d say that those examples are missing a 4th DPS and 2 healers. Shuffle is an rng fiesta with player skill and matchup going all over the place.
It is a ranged meta. Destro lock is just a struggling spec because of its limited mobility and defensive potential.
Mages, boomies, and ele shams have a lot of ways to lock a melee down when being trained, but locks can’t even aoe fear like a priest can.
Anyone going to tell him?
What that havoc coil and freedom port is on par with anything those specs(mage excluded) can do? Or is destro damage all instant cast rn
Locks do have an aoe fear that’s even better than psychic scream. With diabolist you can make it a 25 second CD with crazy range.
Havoc coil is not the same as psychic scream. Duration is shorter. You can’t shield yourself and heal up like a spriest either.
There’s a reason spriests die a lot less than locks
Destro lock is the single most killed spec in rss, at all ratings
if ur dying to melee as a lock you just don’t know how to use your mobility
if ur getting ur cc bladestormed and coils reflected u deserve to get trained
be average