The Raid Scene is Dying because of M+

[Anxxy-area-52]

I would also accept naked M+. as long as there’s a lot of gnomes in the group. wait what

[Rita-velen]

I’ll join that group let’s do it

M+ players are sick of raiding, no gear relevance in keys would be the sauce.

[Lakini-lightbringer]

You haven’t missed anything. People have their opinions and biased takes. They then argue for a while and people continue to believe what they want to believe.

[Sentenzà-illidan]

@Krahkhurz-bleeding-hollow

No one who raids anymore is interested in the loot that drops anymor

HAHAHAHAHAHA

*breathes*

HAHAHAHAHAHA

lol

It’s one of the few reasons any of the top M+ pushers do M+. Because Mythic loot is degenerately op. Like disgustingly OP is Season 4. What a joke.

Gavel is BIS for Bear even when you can’t even get any benefit from Strength because it’s just that OP.

Lol. Actual lol.

[Echab-zuljin]

Players will always gravitate to what is the most time efficient. Just have raids drop more loot or a currency that allows us to upgrade gear and this whole argument can end.

[Anxxy-area-52]

the bear gavel thing never fails to make me laugh. its just goofy.

[Sussh-proudmoore]

I do both. Lots of players do both. I much prefer keys over raiding, but I like the feeling of accomplishment for getting something like AOTC. It’s a better feeling than KSM imo and that’s why I raid. It’s also a nice change of pace from doing keys.

[Annastasi-proudmoore]

Loot Item Level in Vault of Incarnates on Dragonflight Beta

[Sinelius-proudmoore]

Dynars can fix that issue but they need to want to continue it.

[Krahkhurz-bleeding-hollow]

@Sentenzà-illidan

It’s one of the few reasons any of the top M+ pushers do M+. Because Mythic loot is degenerately op. Like disgustingly OP is Season 4. What a joke.

That’s the thing, is you’re talking about M+ players who are interested in pushing M+. I am talking about raiders who are interested in strictly raiding.

[Shadowvixyn-moon-guard]

I…uh… remind me to never put my gnome mage in a group with you ever.

[Fuzzbutt-zuljin]

@Krahkhurz-bleeding-hollow

No one who raids anymore is interested in the loot that drops anymore, because you raid for 6 hours a week and may not even get one piece of loot, and can only kill the raid bosses ONCE a week for a chance at loot.

My issue is the time everyone gets together to run em. I’m working the times most are raiding.

[Anxxy-area-52]

Gimmie those gnome toes.

[Echab-zuljin]

@Annastasi-proudmoore

https://www.wowhead.com/news/loot-item-level-increases-every-couple-bosses-in-vault-of-incarnates-on-328771

Now we’re talking. MUCH better.

[Fuzzbutt-zuljin]

In my best ‘That’s so Raven’ voice
Ya nasty…

[Wantgnomes-garrosh]

@Anxxy-area-52

gnome toes

I can actually give them to you, they aren’t attached to my body any more.

[Sentenzà-illidan]

At least this puts an end to the absurd situation where the first boss of a raid was dropping some of the best gear in the game. I actually highly approve of this, this should make each boss kill more rewarding than the last. Couple this with some revamps to M+ gear acquisition and I think everyone could be happy.

[Shadowvixyn-moon-guard]

OMG Blinks and hides behind tank.

[Maveles-stormrage]

@Krahkhurz-bleeding-hollow

What is the point of difficult raids anymore other than achievements/mount/pets?

No one who raids anymore is interested in the loot that drops anymore, because you raid for 6 hours a week and may not even get one piece of loot, and can only kill the raid bosses ONCE a week for a chance at loot.

M+ you can pug 4 people easily and run, while raiding is more difficult to pug, and usually you have to find a guild with 19 other competent raiders to even begin to progress in Mythic raids.

M+ on the other hand, drops the same (if not better) loot as raids, can be grinded endlessly, and gives loot a lot faster than raiding ever will.

The whole reason a lot of people raided was for loot, but loot is so scarce from raiding, and loot is so abundant from M+, that the only reason to raid anymore is for achievements/mounts/pets. Raiding used to be the pinnacle of WoW, the best loot you’d get, and a huge achievement. Now M+ is arguably a bigger achievement than raiding.

I think that what happened to PvP gear needs to happen to M+ gear. M+ gear should scaled down in ilvl if you’re not in a M+ key. M+ gear should not be usable in raids.

Thoughts?

Mythic raid actually still gives ridiculously good loot, especially this patch. The real problem isn’t raiding vs m+, its mythic raiding vs everything else.

[Annastasi-proudmoore]

yep.

I’d like to see gear scale up to mythic ilvl for +20 keys.

and I’d like to see non-mythic raid gear be upgradeable with valor to the same ilvl m+ gear can be. if I can upgrade my +7 key gear to better than heroic raid quality, why can’t I upgrade my heroic raid gear to the same.