Unless you’re talking KT, Vanilla didn’t have a last boss. And KT Loot wasn’t all that hot.
Except not really. Corrupted Ashbringer. Untamed Blade.
“You only deserve BiS after you’ve dealt with the last minute of prog” is pretty daft.
BiS isn’t a reward in raiding, it’s a tool.
Why can’t we accept people just don’t like to raid anymore
Blackwing Lair dropped 3 2-handers and each was higher ilvl than the one before it.
Yes. Literally yes. Actually literally yes. What? What are you talking about? Of course yes. What? What are you talking about???
I’m on the verge of getting myself banned I think because wow, that is like… a take. ???
Yes, of course you don’t deserve BIS if you’re not beating the content.
Lol.
Was a step into AQ40.
Maybe you raid for loot and think of it as a reward, but that’s not a winning mentality for raiders.
Quit while you’re behind, lol.
I’m glad Ion disagrees with you because you’ve got a terrible take.
Ion doesn’t raid anymore.
He quit his own game.
Because heroic is ROFLstomp and you can carry half your raid.
10 man mythic
Lots of people raid heroic. Not a whole lot of 10 man groups.
Raiding is just more enjoyable with more people.
The Game Director actually shares your concern as noted in this interview. The relevant quote is this…
Likely the challenge/reward for Raid, M+, and PvP will be “better balanced” in a future expansion.
WHOOOOOOOOOOOSH right over your head.
Its dying because raiding is to full of useless boring trash with no challenge. Bosses it takes to long to get back to if you wipe. Mechanics that are needlessly complicated just to spite World First raiders. Loot systems also designed to spite WF raiders that they get around anyways only hurting everyone elses fun. And a lock of importance in most of the fights. 90% of the stuff we murder in raids are fillers that we didn’t know existed until it was suddenly a raid boss. Did I forget anything? I bet I did.
The main reason for that is there’s less people playing period. Subs are probably the lowest they’ve ever been. The difficulty didn’t help of course.
They aren’t. Yall just have a twisted definition of forced.
the way it stands, raiding is kinda killing itself already, some changes should happen, what changes is a different story
If you’re doing normal, heroic raiding then that’s whatever. The real raiding is done by the mythic raiders. And their gear is always better than what m+ gives. Always. Trinkets, normal gear drops always have the best stats.
Honestly, I HATE the idea of M+ dungeons, they’re incredibly tedious. And therefore I unfortunately stay mostly undergeared. I’m also thoroughly SICK of the legendary items every xpac, it’s starting to wear on my nerves. I don’t understand why they are going in this direction, instead of the direction that made their busiest xpac. Cata. It was perfect through and through.
i think a lot of things other than loot ruins raiding for me in general. the trash, the prep, the run backs from wiping (i know soulstone but you should just spawn at the boss you’re progging)
fights are also so scripted, not really a complaint, it’s just the same thing every single pull. waiting for people to learn what to do.
The raid scene is dying because Ion killed it with ridiculous mechanics and limited loot drops.
We went a full 5 days before another one popped up lol
Exactly, why is raid content being designed around world first raiders?