maybe it’s time to cut back on your drinking 
I guess you didn’t read anything besides the first sentence.
Completely agree. SoD is catered towards casuals. No need for most guilds to be wiping on “level-up” raids. A level 40 raid should not require Discord chat to defeat.
Banning GDKPs reduced the total amount of pugs much more than negligible changes in difficulty.
People won’t raid on toons that gain nothing from doing so…
Sodders pushed away all the carries and then wonder why nobody wants to carry raids.
oh ok I understand that logic but they are still considered level up raids thats probably why they got nerfed in regards to what players were facing when it first dropped 
I would expect MC 20M to be the real challenge but we’ll see
This. All content should have been similar in difficulty to BFD as it currently is. Quick 15-30 minute leveling raid not some 1 hour + slog with pugs hopping someone doesn’t leave.
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Why are you so keen to jump to conclusions because you suck at the game. There’s a plethora of reasons that each phase has fallen off and you just want to jump to clickbaity “PROOF! PROOF that the game is BAD! I SUCK!!!”
Be so for real. Love when a level 35 has something to say, log into your main so we can look at your gray parses bozo.
The precedent was set by the devs themselves…they made BFD pug friendly, and a VERY LOW barrier to entry. I am not saying that is good, bad, right or wrong. They set the expectations for everyone that Alts mattered. easy playstyle with fun gear that was easily obtainable so you could explore, do other stuff, ect…
They switched lanes and just expected people to get onboard…it was a mistake they made and everyone is caught up in the weeds of hard vs not, or classic vs retail…
Devs should of picked a lane and stood in it…
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Do you not remember how insanely exclusive BFD was in the pug scene because of the “difficulty” of Kelris? The player pool was inflated with bad players so BFD organizers required logs and even gear score. There is some romanticized vision about BFD that people are claiming it as casual friendly when it was anything but that. The only thing casual about phase one was the ease of access to level 25, when most players drop the game before 50.
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WoW has always had a ramping up in difficulty and investment as you got higher in level though. Having that be consistent from 25-60 just makes for bad design, in my opinion.
Imagine having level 60 raids that are as braindead easy as BFD was.
Personally, I don’t think making the raid a little harder and take a bit longer makes everyone suddenly quit the game. The quality’s clearly gone down since P1, and I’m guessing most people (like me) were thinking P2 might just be a misstep, but then P3 showed a clear pattern downwards.
Giddy, giddy they gonna play with themselves.
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i wonder why LOL its almost like finding 10 people is twice as easy as finding 20. do you think before you type/speak?
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Maybe people are quitting because the economy is absolutely screwed and they don’t want to farm 4 hours to buy consumes for 1 raid in their dad guild that wipes on eranikus.
Is the raid too hard? No, not at all. It’s quite well balanced I’d say.
Is the raid too hard in this economy? Yea, I’ll admit it is. Dying costs about 60g if you’re fully consumed. Dad guilds die a lot more than try-hard guilds. When every death costs about an hour of doing god awful incursions, I’d not want to play either.
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If you think ST is hard… you don’t know what difficult is.
Then dont aim for a high parse you can casually clear the raid without using a bunch of consumes.
Ive gotten a 95 parse without going full consumes, so you really dont need them. The only exception might be healers and mana pots, but with 1 ret or 1 shamn rage mana is typucally lasting quite a while.
Yeah, the reason is the increased raid sizes + banning of GDKP
See my post here:
I think gnomer was perfect amount of difficulty I felt good after completing it got my good gear and was able to enjoy it every 3 days now I raid once and pray I’m not busy on that day when my guild does it and then don’t do anything for 6 days, I’ve actually gone back to retail for chapter 4 maybe that’s what they wanted make P³ dead for 2 months so people will go and buy war within
You don’t have to aim for a high parse to want to consume for raid, it’s considered standard procedure for any raid to make the run smoother.
Any guild still struggling to clear will want it’s members to consume. As will any guild speedrunning or parsing.
Additionally my point is not specific to just consumes. Everything is expensive, everything requires significantly longer farming times to acquire compared to Classic 2019.
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If everything is expensive you farm something to sell and buy what you want.
You act like you cannot sell things for gold to buy what you cant farm…
Plenty of things to farm, playing the game is a net increase in gold for basically everything.
I make gold from raiding just from vendor trash and raw gold and thats with food buff and mongoose. I use consumes, i just dont go min max on them. For example i am a mm ranged hunter, i use mongoose and food buff. I could run scrolls on my pet, run arcane elixer, run wizard oils on my weapons, and use winter squid for my food buff instead of a cheaper option. But that is an unneeded price for a small improvement that i really only need to do if i am aiming for 99/100 parses.
We had 4ish BRD teams, one being the harder core team, and they were usually hard to sign up for because they filled quickly. Gnomer was 1 hard core team, and 2-3 runs per week with several people being left out from the previous BRD runs. ST has 1 run. 20 people out of that 40+ish that could have been running.
What’s one of our biggest struggles? Raid leaders. No one wants to run them. The other was 33 people were interested in hardcore runs. There was a selection of people not interested in hard core runs. Most of the heals ended up on main run. Now with Cata dropping the people who had no raid team, geared up for one, and just waiting for these weeks… are filtering into cata to have SOMETHING to do.
It’s disappointing.
My class I wanted to play was over represented, so what leave my guild that I like? Pug which who enjoys pugging? (If you haven’t had the nastiest experience you can in wow, via pugs I congratulate you).
It just feels bad all around. When you enjoy raiding and can’t do the thing you are here for… 