Mostly replying to the other dude.
Hee seems on full cope.
Locks have 0 reason to be a pot calling the kettle black is the main point your s tier 50% of seasons
I mean he is right in some aspect, good Aff locks will out damage a BM Hunter in most matchups as long as they have the ability to kite and their teammate assists with rooting/slowing/AoE Stunning the Zoo.
Then again some matchups (Jungle or Cupid, also Thug with Outlaw) itâll be a rough game for the Lock no matter what.
But just for future reference whenever you see Call of the Wild popped duck behind a wall. If you are preventing Black Arrows from going off on your entire team that negates about 70% of Call of the Wilds damage.
Pet damage is negligible when compared to Black Arrow.
This would work if the pet ai was well done. Unfortunately it is not.
This isnât really a bm specific problem. Some people are going to fotm no matter what.
Agreed upon further looking up damage it seems that proc rate on bm is insane as when compared to MM when it comes to black arrows.
It almost like the proc rate arcane mages had with orbs.
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Yup, I think in one of my games last night it procced like 30-35 times and the procs seem to happen the worst during Call of the Wild (This is when the AoE Black Arrows come out).
On details for a 3s match it was like 300 some casts during a matchâŚbut realistically it was like 40 Procs happening and the others were AoE during Call of the Wild.
I have every right.
Stop being a drama queen. Youll eat the nerf.
If lock needs it too, theyll eat it too. But bm is overtuned rn.
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Honestly, for BM only, make their pets take full cleave damage. 80% damage reduction or whatever they have is obnoxious and a way to ruin them is just target the pets. Theyâre practically immune to cc nowadays anyways.
They have spec tuning knobs, weâve seen it, so letâs be able to kill BM pets regularly and force them to res constantly.
Oh and make pet res kickable for BM only.
Nah, thats a terrible idea that only feels good for anyone with passive cleave.
If you wanna kill pets you make them a target.
You dont get to passively win by pew pewing.
Making a class completely unplayable is not the answer. Tuning damage right now is the better option. Wanting things based off emotional reactions is never a good tuning method.
Against anyone other than BM hunters sure
No itâs fine, just make BM Hunter unplayable.
Ok, so screw bm players is what youre saying.
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I guess were fine with DH in their state then using your own ogic.
Yes 
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Like I said youâre issue is with the rerollers, rerollers will stop playing BM when BM Hunter isnât above everyone on the meters by a mile. Screwing over an entire spec to be unplayable from the initial 3 seconds of an Arena match is worse than Tank treatment in Arena.
Yes actually.
Essence break DH is terrible and should stay dead.
The spec is one tuning pass away from literally running over everyone with hitting whatever button lights up and thatâs bad for the game.
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Again emotional responses against flavor of the month rerollers is never the answer to proper tuning. Bringing BM damage back in line to being middle of the pack on the meters or lowest is a better option. This gives players who actually enjoy playing BM in PvP and have enjoyed it through itâs ups and downs a chance to still actually queue shuffle and 3s.
This would be equivalent to Blizzard removing all forms of Leech on DHs and nerfing Darkness to actually instantly kill the DH who casted it.
Hmm I dunno, it seems like an emotional response to not want pets to be able to be cleaved therefore countering the BM Hunter.
Weird.
They gutted leech and changed darkness, and moved around a bunch of their survivability.
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No itâs a logical response since that removes the spec entirely from any form of PvP. Wanting BM to suffer worse than Tank treatment in arenas but in every form of PvP is an emotional response.
The move to allow BM to play the match without instantly losing in the first 3 seconds was a step in the right direction from DF Season 1 (and 2 I think). Now the damage numbers on a NEW ability (Black Arrow) is way too high and the proc rate on a NEW ability is way too highâŚthey just need to adjust NEW mechanics down properly.