The problem with BM

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Is that they have no counterplay in their DPS rotation.

Theres no punishment for letting your pet die while you sit LOS all game.

Theres no counterplay to their DPS.

All their dmg is instant casts, no cast bars at all

Theres no counterplay to their DPS.

And I think the last thing that is the problem with BM is that there is no counterplay to their DPS.

What do you guys think? Should instant cast classes with no casting requirements be able to top DPS metres? Or should it be a trade off that if you play a spec like this you should expect B tier DPS.

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I think they should make pet res kickable again

Imagine the crying if demo had un-kickable felguard summon lol.

No reason for hunters, especially BM to have it, if they let their pet die, it shouldn’t be a free res

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No. Nerf the specs damage. That’s fine. Making pet rez miserable is not the solution. Pets get passively cleaved frequently.

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They reduced the amount of damage they take from cleave a long time ago, and again, Mend Pet is a button that exists. And cleave is definitely not outpacing the healing of that lol.

Imagine having to actually worry about pet management on a pet centric spec/class :exploding_head:

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Thanks man. I appreciate your repugnant response.

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If you and your healer manage to let your pet die, it should be difficult to res it lmao. Idk how that’s such a wild take to you.

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Hunters are too tanky thats all. Let them keep their dps but they shouldnt be able to just stand still S keying their way into a win. If a warrior or monk connects to them they should be scared

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It’s not a wild take. It’s misguided. You’re not getting at the crux of the issue with BM. It’s like saying affliction does too much damage but nerfing their mobility. It’s asinine.

BM in its current iteration can do too much with too little. It shouldn’t do max damage while being able to easily kite and now it’s even tanky as well. They can do everything all at once. Nerf those aspects. Not pet rez. Be rational.

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Nah, nerf black arrow to bring em in line.

No need to overthink this.

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I am starting to gear my BM Hunter now and have realized they are actually fine. Stop asking for nerfs and instead ask yourself “what can I do better” imo.

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Nerf Black Arrow damage by 50% while in BM Spec, Nerf proc rate by 15-20% while Call of the Wild is active…done. Black Arrow right now in every 3s match I play is 5-6mil damage above even my Barbed Shot. One of the 3s I played last night with Cupid it was 16mil damage…the next closest ability was 10mil (Barbed Shot DoT) then pets followed at 9 mil. It’s not the pet damage…it’s Black Arrow being over-tuned as BM Hunter.

BM gets like 100-200% more Black Arrow procs right now more than MM Hunters. And it’s critting for 1mil damage.

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^ This right here.^ Punishing Survival and Marks for BM Hunter crimes is dumb.

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Pre-nerf Splay and frost mage when BM gets nerfed. Would rather Q into double BM hunter than 2x clothies just damping the ladder without any natural predators.

At the end of the day, SPlay still exists, and it’s ironic that locks/SPs are complaining about a class that “does nothing to win”.

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Yes MM and Survival are not overperforming right now. I’d say they aren’t even A tier…maybe Survival is considered A tier right now. But nowhere close to the S Tier classes.

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Is the splay saying these things in here with us right now?

Cause no one here said anything besides nerf black arrow and leave the spec alone.

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Sounds completely rational! Just like getting ahead of the next two things that are going to plague the ladder!

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Stop deflecting. BM damage is an issue right now, and your whataboutism wont change that.

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the problem with bm or maybe not is they can die in stuns now where as before they were immortal

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Not deflecting anything buddy. Asking for BM nerfs is just putting other problematic specs into a better position.

Is BM a problem? Yes.

Are there other specs (outside of BM) that are keeping demo/aff/SP/Frost Mage in line? Not many!

S4 DF was pretty much Lock/SP/X and Aff/Sin. No one else really wants a repeat of that.

If we are going to nerf hunter, we might as well adjust for the impending rise of caster cleaves.

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It’s just terrible gameplay. BM has plenty of issues that should be dealt with, but don’t drag SV into the problem. When pets were hard to res and teams could just train it for essentially free wins, that’s dumb. If they want to give me the tools to keep my pet alive… sure, make it a viable target. Having to babysit a pet though… no one wants that.

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