In multiple interviews and posts the Eternal Ones have been compared to the Titans of order with some like the Jailer being consider Titan “++” thus I would asume each one to be very powerful. However, it has been difficult to gauge their strenght in game specially when they appear to be so weak in some instances.
Since I’m playing through the Kyrian covenant campaign I will focus on the Archon. I mean she was nearly beatend and possibly destroyed by Devos, a paragon. Sure I asume Paragons are strong but I don’t see them being Titan level enough to almost kill an eternal one were it not for out intervention. Is this the effect of the anima drought or are the Eternal One’s claim of being Titan level a bit exagerated?
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I think they’re compared to Titans more in Role than in power. Or maybe Shadowlands beings are just that powerful that they can match the eternal ones and titans with ease.
After all, Denathrius is the first raid boss.
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Before I say anything else, I think it’s important to keep in mind that keeping power levels consistent doesn’t matter much to Blizzard. Characters or entities are as strong or as weak as the story demands, and trying to draw exact comparisons is never going to be fruitful.
That’s my guess. The Maw has been getting all the souls lately, it stands to reason that they’re also getting all the anima. So Devos with the assistance of plenty of soul juice vs. the Archon who’s running on fumes sounds like a pretty even matchup.
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I see no reason to compare them to titans in power.
As in importance for their roles, yes. If they are going to say in terms of power, then they’ll have to convince us in a huge way. Right now, I’d label them as what the dragon aspects used to be, until then.
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It’s interesting that Denathrius felt the need to manipulate the Titans (and the other prime planes) into falling apart over eons. Seems like a lot of work if he was strong enough to confront them directly.
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I’m of the opinion that the Titans and the Eternal Ones can be compared, but mostly in how they reflect on each other in the cosmic scheme of things (going by that wonderful illustration of magic in the WoW universe from Chronicles).
EDIT: Made a separate thread for some more of my thoughts on that.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/who-were-the-first-ones-my-theory/766548?u=vozul-wyrmrest-accord
I believe it’s more so in name.
The warcraft mythos is made up of 6 magical fonts, all these fonts existing outside of reality( the void lords), the 2nd im command right under these raw magics exist in reality and vary in power, so heres a list.
Titans- Order
Eternals- Death
Naaru- light
Old gods- Void
We’re missing the equivalent for Fel and Life, I know the burning legion exist but don’t think they answer to the fel itself but maybe just the nature of chaos.
Now could a Naaru 1v1 an eternal or old god? Honestly the naaru are incredibly weak compared to their counterparts
Well, for Life there would be the Wild Gods, like the Loa.
I think strength is relative. Why exhaust your power fighting a war directly and potentially losing? When you can force your enemies to fight each other and exhaust themselves in the process. Once they are depleted and bereft of power. Then go in for the kill. I think the Sire’s motives and power level is consistent to that narrative. These being are powerful on par with the titans, but power is relative.
Like how Lei Shen is more powerful than the individual Lich King Arthas, but the Lich King’s power is based on his army not his actually martial skill and individual strength.
Sargeras is the most powerful titan yet he was captured by the combined power of the other titans using the essence of Argus to bind him. How is that possible? Power is relative.
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There’s no way they are even comparable to a small fraction of the Titan’s powers.
Aman’thul plucked out Y’shaarj like a bad weed and that Old God was stronger than the others combined. It’s just not the same level of power.
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Eternals probably predate the titans and probably are the primary servants of the first ones who probably created the cosmos. Power levels will be relative to their spheres of influence.
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Odly enough there are two loa’s of death (that we know of, or that I recall at the moment) which makes it all more confusing.
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Keep in mind Loa is a term Trolls apply to any spirits, not just Wild Gods. Wild Gods are just the more prominent Loa we know of.
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Mueh’zala is older and the first loa of death. He can be described as the original. Bwonsambi is his follower turned loa and beneath him, but Mueh’zala’s biggest mistake per the dungeon is not keeping up with his worshipers he never branched out or did anything for the trolls of such import. So he was largely forgotten for Bwonsambi.
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Can we talk about how we got the identity of the first ones?
The Archon was stabbed by her own (probably equally powerful) spear. People need to calm their jets, assuming Devos is even in her league. That fight meant nothing.
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Titans at their full power seem to be the most powerful things we’ve seen.
Just a reminder that the 2 titans ever defeated by players were at a more weak state.
It seems the eternal ones are more comparable to keepers like Odyn and Ra’den. At least the size matches.
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Well the fact that Davos even got to do that speaks volumes.
Well for one each eternal one created their realm in the shadowlands where they reside, each one is able to give life to the shadowlands as we see in each realm with the beings that appear from the very realm itself. Now one can assume that because we’re in the shadowlands then being a smaller stature to the Titans can be either do our perception of them in the realm of death, or it is their choice to be a small as they are. Now the jailer being described as Titan ++ has yet to be shown and since it took all the eternal ones to imprison him we could say the eternal ones are either Titan level or Titan + level, but we would need actual evidence to prove or disprove that. And the anima drought currently is negatively impacting them, take the winter queen for example, when she was reviving Ysera it took considerable effort. Her features started to wilt like a leaf in winter but we can assume on a good day she wouldn’t struggle with such aid.
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The fact is, Denathrius is a Raid boss already.
Unless we’re getting that much power from soulbinds in lore, there is no way he is even stronger than the Argus faced in 7.3 and that was a weakened titan.