The Plague Event is Fine, but only if it's Opt-In

[Atulzan-thrall]

It’s not like this is going to be a permanent thing. I just figured that people could put aside their “me me me” for a couple of weeks for an event that will be over before you know it.

[Jennah-moon-guard]

Oh, I know it’s not a permanent thing. I guess I just disagree with you that it’s selfish to want an opt-out rather than being an extension of Ion’s comments at BlizzCon about wanting players to have greater agency than they currently have.

[Sarwen-area-52 (Sarwen)]

nah. Pre-patch events are always just there in the world. It’ll be there for like a month or two and then the expansion will drop and the prepatch will go away. You can deal with it for that amount of time.

[Atulzan-thrall]

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

Which is out-of-character. I linked you why.

Gameplay > lore. Seems like this event will be following gameplay first and foremost.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

No zombie acts with intelligence on its own. It follows a hunger instinct, or programming from superior undead. Since there ARE no more superior undead, there leaves one option.

Gameplay > lore. These zombies will be smart bois.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

And I keep telling you that player-controlled zombies and AI zombies are entirely different in behavior and threat.

They probably would. We’ll be getting player controlled zombies for this event.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

The Fourth War affected the world.

I didn’t see the war going on in Feralas, or Ghostlands, or Eversong Woods, or Blasted Lands, or…I think you can see my point.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

Which, again, is countered with, I get ready by toggling War Mode off to turn off Player Zombies.

Which again is countered with gameplay > lore. WM on will be affected, WM off will be affected the same. As it should be.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

Hey, I agree, an event is an event.

I said a raid is a raid then you started talking about differences in difficulty and bosses. So I guess every raid isn’t the same?

[Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast]

@Sarwen-area-52

nah. Pre-patch events are always just there in the world. It’ll be there for like a month or two and then the expansion will drop and the prepatch will go away. You can deal with it for that amount of time.

It would be a better event with War Mode respecting player choice.

I’m not asking for the Event to not happen, or go away. I just don’t want to deal with players ruining my game time. I really, honestly don’t see why this is such an unreasonable position outside of supporting griefers.

[Atulzan-thrall]

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

People keep kicking the hornet’s nest, so stinger’s gotta sting.

What stinger? You’d just run away from your nest if it was being attacked.

I’m sorry, opt out of having your nest attacked.

[Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast]

@Atulzan-thrall

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

Which is out-of-character. I linked you why.

Gameplay > lore. Seems like this event will be following gameplay first and foremost.

War Mode. Gameplay > Lore.

@Atulzan-thrall

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

No zombie acts with intelligence on its own. It follows a hunger instinct, or programming from superior undead. Since there ARE no more superior undead, there leaves one option.

Gameplay > lore. These zombies will be smart bois.

War Mode. Gameplay > Lore. If I can turn off a world war, I can turn off a zombie invasion.

@Atulzan-thrall

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

And I keep telling you that player-controlled zombies and AI zombies are entirely different in behavior and threat.

They probably would. We’ll be getting player controlled zombies for this event.

Then War Mode should be respected and prevent player-controlled anythings from engaging players with it disabled.

@Atulzan-thrall

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

The Fourth War affected the world.

I didn’t see the war going on in Feralas, or Ghostlands, or Eversong Woods, or Blasted Lands, or…I think you can see my point.

Ah, you’re right. Gameplay > Lore after all. The Fourth War wasn’t at all as big a catastrophe as the Scourge Invasion.

So as I’ve copy-pasted at this point: War Mode. Gameplay > Lore.

@Atulzan-thrall

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

Which, again, is countered with, I get ready by toggling War Mode off to turn off Player Zombies.

Which again is countered with gameplay > lore. WM on will be affected, WM off will be affected the same. As it should be.

War Mode. Gameplay > Lore. Player controlled anythings should not be able to attack players with this mode disabled.

@Atulzan-thrall

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

Hey, I agree, an event is an event.

I said a raid is a raid then you started talking about differences in difficulty and bosses. So I guess every raid isn’t the same?

Whoa! So you DO realize instances can be different! Wow! So guess what? Instances of the Scourge Invasion with War Mode off would feature only AI zombies. War Mode on? Go to the instance with PC zombies. War Mode Off = Normal. War Mode On = Mythic. There we go!

[Purplelime-frostmourne (Purplelime)]

Only 2 things I want to see addressed is player ghouls have ridiculous chance to dodge spells for some reason, I couldn’t for the life of me kill on my mage because every ability just misses, didn’t have this problem at all on rogue.

Other issue is the infinite loop of ghouls spawning, 1 player kills some npc’s, npc’s instantly respawn and the ghouls from their previous body kill them and create more ghouls, within 30 minutes you have hundreds (thousands in SW harbor and boralus). The servers can’t handle that many at once, especially when they use their sprint ability, my client was basically grinding to a halt and took 10 seconds to catch back up.

https://i.imgur.com/wO6j6n2.jpeg

1 small area of boralus, the entire city looked like this.

[Jennah-moon-guard]

From the April 6, 2020 Developer’s Update: “We remain guided by the core philosophies that we articulated at BlizzCon: player agency and empowering choices.”

I think that’s sort of what the OP is getting at. They feel that they have no agency or choice with a world event such as the Wrath or Shadowlands pre-patch events. I could be wrong, of course. Wouldn’t be the first time, as I already demonstrated in this thread.

[Zootzoot-kaelthas (Zootzoot)]

Instead of asking for opt outs which breaks the idea of a persistent game world how about some ideas to make the event fun for everyone?

1. Players who get turned into Zombies only live for a short time then expire and can’t get turned again for xx minutes.
2. Give players who want to fight the zombies more tools to handle the masses.
3. Make the Debuff a Disease so it can be Cleansed by Players looking to help (that’s how I played in the og event).
4. Scale the Zombies like other NPC’s so all levels have a fighting chance against them.
5. Add safe zones around Argent NPC’s that insta kill any Zombie entering.

Stuff like that. I’m not a PVP’er at all but I loved this event pre Wrath and I think most players would like this event with a few tweaks.

[Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast]

@Atulzan-thrall

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

People keep kicking the hornet’s nest, so stinger’s gotta sting.

What stinger? You’d just run away from your nest if it was being attacked.

I’m sorry, opt out of having your nest attacked.

I’m sorry that I respect player agency and you have no good answer for it outside of ‘BUT MUH LORE’ until you start sputtering ‘BUT GAMEPLAY > LORE’ and then retreat to BUT MUH LORE again. I swear, I’m debating a Victrola with a crack in its record.

[Torwen-darkspear]

I for one cant wait for it!!

[Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast]

@Zootzoot-kaelthas

Instead of asking for opt outs which breaks the idea of a persistent game world how about some ideas to make the event fun for everyone?

1. Players who get turned into Zombies only live for a short time then expire and can’t get turned again for xx minutes.
2. Give players who want to fight the zombies more tools to handle the masses.
3. Make the Debuff a Disease so it can be Cleansed by Players looking to help (that’s how I played in the og event).
4. Scale the Zombies like other NPC’s so all levels have a fighting chance against them.
5. Add safe zones around Argent NPC’s that insta kill any Zombie entering.

Stuff like that. I’m not a PVP’er at all but I loved this event pre Wrath and I think most players would like this event with a few tweaks.

What’s wrong with not wanting to PvP at all? It’s why I disabled War Mode. I do not want to fight player-controlled ANYTHINGS.

If your concern is I’m trying to outright not DO the event, you’re wrong. I just want to remove PvP from the equation. I’ll fight AI zombies all day. If you must, think of it like selecting a difficulty for your instance, Normal or Heroic. I’ll take Normal, thanks.

[Lethal-kromcrush]

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

Then the War Mode event should only allows AI zombies to affect me.

This is always going to be my response, so you can save your typing on this subject.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

swear, I’m debating a Victrola with a crack in its record.

You aren’t debating anyone. You are just spewing the same demands over and over again.
If you aren’t going to discuss anything, then just admit this is just a vehicle to ram your message down as many throats as possible to seem like it’s a bigger deal than it actually is.

[Zootzoot-kaelthas (Zootzoot)]

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

I do not want to fight player-controlled ANYTHINGS.

Again…this is a you problem and I know you’re not alone but I’ll never get it.
/shrug

[Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast]

@Lethal-kromcrush

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

Then the War Mode event should only allows AI zombies to affect me.

This is always going to be my response, so you can save your typing on this subject.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

swear, I’m debating a Victrola with a crack in its record.

You aren’t debating anyone. You are just spewing the same demands over and over again.
If you aren’t going to discuss anything, then just admit this is just a vehicle to ram your message down as many throats as possible to seem like it’s a bigger deal than it actually is.

There’s nothing to discuss, unless it’s other ways to also have the event respect War Mode toggles.

[Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast]

@Zootzoot-kaelthas

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

I do not want to fight player-controlled ANYTHINGS.

Again…this is a you problem and I know you’re not alone but I’ll never get it.
/shrug

I don’t like PvP? It’s that easy.

[Zootzoot-kaelthas (Zootzoot)]

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

I don’t like PvP? It’s that easy.

Neither do I but I still loved the og event and want this one to be tweaked to fix some of the issues we see on the PTR.

I don’t have anxiety at the thought of getting attacked by a Carbon controlled cartoon as opposed to a Silicon controlled cartoon I guess.

[Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast]

I expect my settings to be adhered to by the game that I set them in? If I disabled War Mode, it’s not a suggestion.

[Shylia-moon-guard]

Actually, as ive been on the PTR for a few days now, there are places you can quest and not run into any ghouls/zombies.

The Nelf starting area and Draenei starting area are two of those. Stormwind is actually mostly under control too. Portaling into the Mage Tower was safe. Barber shop was safe. Transmog was safe. (Of course im going to check transmog building!) Darkshire was a small battlefield and I got stuck in a chimney for a while, but a Frostwyrm came by and hit me with its aoe attack so problem solved. But there were lvl 50 players there working together to combat the zombies. It was really cool and I got on my copied over lvl 50 Warlock to help out. Im super curious on where that Frostwyrm came from. A DK had him Controlled for a while, which was so cool lol.

Ita a fun event that takes us out of the norm for a short amount of time. You can see the difference between the players who problem solve and try to overcome, and the players who encounter this and sit down to complain. Im not trying to be mean; this is what ive seen so far. Ive been having the best time on thr PTR as both a lvl 10 and a lvl 50, and im super excited for this Prepatch event to hit live.
Edit for typos because rip my phone typing life!