You said that was done to fix them…later. Well, TBC is later and they still hadn’t changed much to fix the problem you claim is bad enough to allow them to spec out of balance at any time…
Did TBC have the gear?
Don’t do anything about respec.
It make your choice more valuable and increase the feeling of being unique.
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I said that a lot of balance work was done on classes in general in vanilla(which you are trying to pretend didn’t happen at all), and the case of hybrids a lot of that work was specifically done to make their non healing roles more viable.
But they weren’t much “more viable”. Moonkin form added a crit buff for casters. It did little to assist the terrible dps of boomkins. And TBC, where they had the gear, saw almost no changes to that.
Now, that may have made them “more” viable, but a one-legged man running a little faster is still far behind the field…
I never said the class reviews fixed every single issue, I said they very much started moving things in the right direction. And more importantly all the people claiming class balance was so great and 100% intentional in vanilla are straight up wrong.
They aren’t wrong. Class balance wasn’t perfect in vanilla, and has never been perfect at any time in WoW, but the way classes operated in vanilla WAS intentional.
Well except for the fact that is was so bad that blizzard had to do massive class balancing during vanilla. So no it clearly wasn’t intentional and they clearly never were happy with the way classes worked in vanilla.
They never changed how the classes operated…
Rogues mages hunters and locks dpsed
Warriors tanked
Druids paladins priests and shaman healed and buffed.
That never changed.
So you don’t want your choices to have consequences?
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And? Go look at the hybrid changes, a lot of them were specifically designed to make non healing roles more appealing. That it didn’t happen until BC and wrath doesn’t mean blizzard didn’t try in vanilla.
Source? And again, for paladins and boomkins, it didn’t really happen in TBC either. Shaman were buffed greatly in TBC, at least at the start. But that change didn’t happen until pre-patch, and only to enh.
And again, that was due to the masses wanting their cake, not due to a plan to make all dps the same. Even in TBC they fought against it. Remember the hybrid tax? They wanted some delineation between classes. A delineation that is all but gone in retail. For crying out loud, every class can heal themselves now and classes that used to be able to heal a little, can’t anymore or have had it gutted.
Who cares what you think Blizzard intended? Why can’t you accept that we are getting 1.12 Vanilla talents. That’s the game. That’s Classic. Whatever Blizzard might or might not have intended originally is no relevant to this post or this forum. We are getting Classic - an effort to be as close to 1.12 Vanilla as Blizzard can make it within today’s architecture.
It always comes down to this with you - you don’t like how the game played in Vanilla. You have groused about it forever. You opposed Classic from the start and now that it is becoming a reality, you lobby to make it into something it wasn’t and most of us don’t want.
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/shrug if you looked at the changes and didn’t realize that blizzard was in general trying to improve non healing roles for hybrids I don’t know what to tell you.
And without talking about just hybrids, every class in vanilla had a class review so the sentiment that blizzard was perfectly happy with class balance and left it alone in vanilla is across the board a joke.
Pointing out legitimate issues with vanilla is not the same as asking for changes.
Dude this is a great point! nobody is talking about this. People say respeccing is a money-sink and is important for the economy but its actually a great balance mechanic for pve to pvp!
Yes, but half your post are suggesting changes or repeating the same points ad nauseam.
Again, I said that they were improving non-healing roles, but not to the point you “think” they were. Also, in vanilla, they never wanted a boomkin, for example, to lead the dps charts. They simply didn’t. That didn’t happen until later, when Blizz gave up and started handing the complainers everything they wanted.
Regardless, to go back to your earlier flawed talking point. Spec changes were not there as a band-aid so that you could swap back and forth at will to ease poor class design. They were there as a dam against it. Because even if they were perfect, they still wouldn’t do what you “think” they should. It just wasn’t how the game was designed or envisioned.
They are when those illegitimate issues are then used to ask for changes.
I mean you are flat out wrong, blizzard wanted people to play hybrids in non healing roles and a lot of the class review changes were made for that specific reason.
Now they tried to do that with utility in vanilla/BC and it didn’t work. But that doesn’t mean they weren’t making changes with the intention of making non healing hybrids more appealing.
If that’s true, why was their dps miles behind every other pure classess? Heck, why were pure dps classes so varied?