Define major changes… the changes that occurred to shadow priests at the beginning of and over the course of legion are far greater than any class changes that occurred in vanilla from beta to tbc prepatch.
you’ve never played a druid in classic
When? In my opinion the classes have been terrible since the WoD prepatch.
I would take vanilla or TBC balance over any other iteration of the game
Mages have a healing spec called fire didn’t you hear?
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Vanilla balance is the most fun. You know exactly what you’re walking into when you pick a class. You can suffer along for awhile and turn into a scaling machine or be good pre bwl and then fall off. It’s perfect insanity and I honestly can’t imagine a vanilla fanatic who wants to change a single thing.
EDIT: This post is about PVP mostly.
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You are the one making the claim that blizzard left classes basically static during vanilla and did nothing to try to balance them. Which is just false.
I didn’t say that at all. Try again?
And it’s pretty telling that you can’t even elucidate that point in generalities…
Wrath had classes pretty well nailed down, we still had the old talent system so there was a lot of things to click on with plenty of room for bad players to hang themselves. But all roles for all classes were pretty much viable and as it was pre any form of pruning everyone had lots of abilities.
Blizz has to look in mirror about their warrior love, causing mass complaints. As no other class could do 2 separate roles really well, expect…warrior. Top DPS and only viable tank in all aspects of the game.
But, was not considered a “hybrid”, as ONLY class that could heal were branded that for the"hybrid tax".
Another, self inflicted wound…that started a snowball effect, that took us to the retail of today.
I’ve never seen a post of yours that wasn’t you arguing a point similar to this. Yes they changed classes during vanilla, but we’re getting 1.12. The last iteration of changes. What are you spending so much time arguing? If you want TBC instead of classic you’ll just have to wait. No amount of redundant posting on the forums is going to change that fact.
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Again, we are getting classic because that wasn’t wanted…
Okay? and that has what to do with the question i was responding to?
Personally I’d be about as opposite the OP’s position as possible. If anything I think they should either completely remove the respec option or at least limit it even further. This is not like when the game was live, the skills and talents will no longer be changing on a weekly basis.
The entire point of the talent trees is that by choosing to put points in one talent removes the option of having them in a different talent. Building a spec that incorporates all aspects you wish your character to be good at is half the challenge.
The idea that you can just change core character functionality whenever you feel like is fairly anti-RPG. Removing the penalty is even worse, at that point they might just as well remove talents completely. Which is pretty much the direction they went with in retail…
Choices are supposed to matter, choosing to spec one way versus another is designed to help differentiate one player from another. Each class is fully capable of performing their role(s) without spending a single talent. Will they perform them as well as a person who has specialized into one particular area? No, and that is the entire point.
A priest/paladin/shaman/druid can heal without spending a single talent point, a druid/paladin/warrior can all tank without spending talent points and every single class in the game can deal damage regardless of talents. Choosing to spend points to become better at one aspect is supposed to be impactful, if you spent points and nothing changes… what was even the point?
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It was directly related to your point. We aren’t getting LK, so that you “think” it’s the best iteration isn’t relevant in this forum.
Still waiting on you to provide something, anything to back up your “framework” comment as well…
Go look at the class reviews and the changes that were made, a lot of them were far bigger than the changes we got going into classic and in many cases were designed to beef up non healing specs.
Such as…? Name a class and explain how the changes to the framework helped that class in TBC or beyond. Go ahead, you can do it.
Sure look at druids, feral and balance both got massive revamps, balance got a completely new form. That vanilla didn’t have the gear to support them doesn’t mean that the changes from vanilla weren’t in place for BC when we did start seeing the right gear show up.
If you are claiming that the class reviews were trivial and didn’t have a significant impact on classes you just didn’t play during vanilla.
Actually it’s only one global spec. Everyone is the same and can do everything.
Moonkin didn’t really change in TBC…
And I never said they were trivial, which is the second time you are claiming stances I’ve never taken. I said that they weren’t made to allow them, at some undefined point in time, to become good dps/tanks.
Yes that’s the point, moonkin was added in vanilla not BC.
But they were, the changes were very much to allow non healing specs to become more viable, that vanilla didn’t have the gear to support it isn’t relevant.