How would you like me to screenshot #'s from a match that ended nearly 20 minutes ago?
Yet we are one of the weakest melees in the game… Shaman melee and hunter melee the only melee classes worse off… That great kit of ours loses much of it’s value by this complicated strat of attacking the Ret. Burst is stupid good with 3 CDs stacked for sure! Sadly not enough to keep pace with just about any other class in the game…
There is exactly one class in the game that doesn’t have a DPS spec that is doing better that ret.
Hunters.
Add up the all the Hunter DPS by class… doing better than pala DPS (Ret).
Worst DPS by class in the game…
You see when you only have ONE DPS spec it should be pretty good. Not over powered not crazy good like a number of classes are now, but at least average. Is average so hard? Need some serious nurfs to the top or strong buffs to ret to get us to average…
You see there are a number of classes with multiple specs each having a better go of it than Ret, can we have one?
Holy roughly tied with shaman for dog water tier doesn’t help either. Worst DPS class, nearly the worst healer… Paladin needs some help, or nurfs, big nurfs at the top. I prefer nurfs to the demigod classes myself…
We have all of those things you listed and yet worst DPS class in PvP. Damn must be some broken classes out there. If you get farmed by the weaker casters and we do, then broken casters ruin us. It means that Rets best matchups are against melee that are generally stronger than us.
Weak into casters and at the same time the weaker melee in those melee matchups save 2 classes. This is why Ret struggles. Awful into casters and not great into melee.
Even if the roles were reversed and we stomped all melee including Fury/DH we still wouldn’t be as strong as either is right now because we actually have a weakness…
Preach /10char
Do you even play the game? You are the one look like on drugs
That’s because 99% of ret paladins are bad.
If God snapped his fingers and randomly made all rets the same skill level as vanguards everyone on forums would be saying ret is broken
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Ret just sucks into casters which is why magic bop was such a nice addition then it got stripped away because people were abusing it in PvE. In before someone tries claiming Ret getting AMS on a 3m cd that can be used on friendlies would have them all wining every game by blowing every cd they have in the opener. That’s what DK’s and Rogues do, Ret would just not kill and die after.
False.
By your logic 99% of the players playing Fury, DH, SP, Lock, unholy rogue ect would all have to be good…
Neither is true.
Vanguards stated on stream that Ret isn’t that good, his words not mine I was watching his stream 1st week to check his builds and playstyle.
Weak into casters, into melee a “bit better” “We’re kind of ok I guess”. But never mind about what an elite players says look at the ladder if Ret was good despite 99% of us being bad as you say it would still be doing well.
I love it when Pikaboo says rogue is bad then look at the ladder and rogues are doing much better than most classes. Never mind about what’s happening in the actual game this one person said something or got rank 1.
The best players in the world teaming up with the best players in the world can win games with lesser classes. Everything is balanced you see.
uh no, those classes take far less skill in this meta
Ret isnt good… but most ret players are still bad.
I think ret is underrated currently. I actually think the class is solid it’s just that our natural class predators are extremely good currently, i.e. lock and spriest.
I don’t claim to be an elite by any means, however, I do notice that a lot of rets that struggle don’t seem to balance their holy power between healing and dps. In Solo Shuffle, I sometimes use my wings at the beginning to just sustain large heals through the enemy dps’ offensive cooldowns. It keeps me up long enough for me to shift the momentum and ret is very punishing against players that over commit cooldowns. I think a lot of rets try to play like they’re a warrior and push w, it’s simply not how the class is designed.
I do wish we maintained magic BoP though. It’d be extremely value added to our kit.
this is better but it’s still not broad enough
4/10
Rets are okay.
If anyone is reading, I would like the following changes though:
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Unbound Freedom moved to regular talent tree.
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Divine Steed off GCD and the user cannot be slowed below 100% while it’s active.
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Divine Protection changed to be the same as Hpal’s.
That’s all I ask for.
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This thread TLDR: RSS was a terrible mistake
Shuffle is without a doubt the single biggest pvp win blizzard has made since arenas were introduced. Nothing else has come even close to reducing barrier to entry, increasing participation, and keeping it competitive while being fair.
It’s not perfect, but it’s been amazing. All the complaints as testament of the number of people participating. If people didn’t care they wouldn’t talk about it like every other pvp change in the history of the game
Any1 who says wog shouldn’t heal for more while the entire spec’s defensive capabilities are centered around selfhealing is completely fried.
That said, the spec is a complete gimmick fest, it’s basically pray for that huge decree crit and gib someone (it’s a bit funny when it actually happens but NOT worth the experience) or wait until the next 1 min lottery. It’s horrendous playstyle and it’s even worse if you try to exist w/o someone pocket healing you.