Ret enjoyers getting rly defensive when i tell them they have more than just bubble
When you look at us you think that, but in reality we really don’t
Like I said, you calling SoV a def is all I need to know on your knowledge of Retribution
Lay on hands is pretty strong at the beginning of an arena. 75% heal base line reduced by 10% instantly by dampening.
As long as mind games isn’t on you, or an MS affect. It can be effective. If you use it as a first defense though you can’t use bubble or bop and it usually not enough to survive full opener cds.
When used after bubble a minute into the game it’s still pretty strong but by minute 2 it’s down to a 50k heal on a 7 minute cooldown that’s locks you out of your other defensive for 30 seconds. I’ve pressed it and it healed for 10k before which isn’t a great 7 minute forbearance cooldown haha.
It’s been a bright spot in the ret kit for sure though.
Okay sorry, WoG should be like it was pre nerf and top you every time you press it. You deserve better for being bad.
Youre right, im sorry! I forgot taking damage in arena=bad player
I’m not asking for WoG to be LoH like it was, but it would be nice if it healed more than 10% when youre already low and have healing hands talents
No, we do very high burst with wings/seraphim/reck all up as long as we have uptime.
The problem is the uptime on range or being kited by melee to some degree during.
Yes we get focused down, it sux!
Our strong defensives like BoP have longer CDs and are countered by a dozen plus specs at this point if it last more than a global or two in those cases your doing ok…
Our very good long CD bubble is countered by a handful as well and this makes our 30 second debuff between our good defensives really hurt…
I mean without our super fun 30 second debuff chaining BoP and bubble without counters would be broken good though.
Don’t want to make the next SP, Fury, DH, demo lock, affliction, rogue by buffing Ret…
Need to bring down the demigod classes at the same time they take away this broken burst.
I mean these 50%+ HP globals are not good for the game, but if we are going to take them away (yes blizzard should) they need to hit a home run with the nurf bat on the classes that don’t have a broken ability rather have entire classes that are broken.
They appear to be doing the first and that is good for the game, but the entire game will remain broken until the top classes get brought down to earth.
Actually, if I may ask, Do you have any exp with Ret? or do you just call it as you see it? and by exp I don’t mean just have one leveled up, I mean actual arena exp with the spec
what drugs are you smoking?
nah no heal by a dps should heal more than 10% of ur hp
I call it as I hear it from the best ret players in the game, and from what I see when I play vs them.
The best rets in the game have all been saying ret burst is still good, their sustain damage is horrible, and their ability to survive is a real problem.
Granted some of that is the fact that the classes that do the best against ret by kit also happen to be the most over tuned which makes it feel worse. I think ret is pretty good. It just can’t exist well with priests, locks, dks, and dh in every lobby
Get back to me when you have actual exp behind the wheel bucko
yea i’d just 1 shot people to the top like i do on my ww
I know right…
Tells you where you sit when you are happier to see 2 broken melee specs and get cleaved down feeling hopeless, than the other caster classes that aren’t crushing the ladder but crush us anyways. 11 specs are doing better or much better than Ret, and of the ones that are on par or worse off than ret like frost mage will make you want to unistall…
Uphill battle against a number of melee specs and getting pooped on by casters doesn’t feel good. Any number of combinations of comps melee+caster, double melee or double caster can make Ret feel pretty bad.
I’ve been enjoying ret for the most part. When everything falls into place it feels super powerful. It just feels like you don’t control your own fate most of the time being so easily kited, controlled, trained, and killed.
When you LOH save your healer, sac your partner, and bubble yourself saving the entire team it’s very rewarding.
I mean you die 20 seconds later with no buttons left, but it felt good in the moment.
Or when you catch the 3 enemies stacked. Blind all 3 into wings seraphine tolls reckoning wake across the entire team. The dream /drool
Ret paladin still has like 3 different ways to near one shot people, a full immunity, phys immunity that can go on allies, a uncleansable duo freedom, the best off healing of any hybrid.
I swear paladin players have the biggest victim complex right next to hunters and rogues
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Ret seems to do fine in every solo shuffle ive seen. They do bonkers damage. ret is fine
WHAT OFFHEALING???
I legit just got out of a solo shuffle, the other dps had 7% hp left so I hit him with a WoG that should be buffed by healing hands…It only brought his HP up by 3%!!!
I swear people should be required to put x amount of hours into a class before making a comment on it
Damage can only get you so far.
lets see, crusade last 20 seconds, at least 4-5 seconds of that will be stunned. We’re a class balanced solely around wings so once thats over with we’re pretty much hitting you with a wet noddle
Then said player must of had some healing debuff beyond mortal strike. Screenshot or Im inclined to not believe your word of glory with healing hands only healed a player at for 3% of their health at 7% hp. The math just doesnt add up.