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Honestly I am not sure where to find a comprehensive overview of the trust system.
Masterloot was removed because of abuse. “This is why we can’t have nice things”.
Flying is a vision thing with the developers, and it’s, especially at this point, “not negotiable”. Yes, they hear the feedback, but they simply don’t agree with it – which is their purview.
Blizzard isn’t going to “back down” from their policy on profanity, for example. Folks can grouse on it all they want, but it’s part and parcel the vision, theme, and environment Blizzard wants to promote in game.
They apparently feel just as strongly about Flying, it’s role in the game, it’s impact on the game world. As should be obvious from the portal removal, “sheer convenience” is not a top priority to the producers. They balance it with everything else.
Meanwhile, they are working on other systems. They can’t just “go back” to Legion and abandon Azerite, it’s far to deeply embedded in to the core of the expansion. So, they need to tweak it, tweak it some more, take it out back with a baseball bat, and just try to keep tweaking it until it’s “better” or they punt and on to the next expansion.
But flying? It’s off the table. It’s not that they haven’t heard the player base, they have. They’re simply not going to do it. Flying is settled. That conversation is done. Let there be Pathfinder.
And it’s not “digging in their heals” or “ignoring the players”. They respect the point of view (no, really!). You think they don’t have folks internally that would love to have flying right now? Staff that play the game? Folks that chat with the devs at lunch and discuss it ad nauseaum?
That “pushy nonsense” is their vision of the game and the world and how the players interact with it. It’s their movie, they’re the directors, the players are but actors in the play. Just like they don’t let the audience back stage and magic shows.
People continue to think that the flying decision was all sudden, and it wasn’t. They learned the problems with it back in Cataclysm, and started rolling in back, hard, in MoP.
So, again, they do listen, they do act, but not all things are negotiable.
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What about when they are enjoying things that are contrary to a persistent world in an mmorpg? I’m not sure why so few people are capable of thinking about what’s good for the world of Warcraft and not just themselves but you would be better off starting. Once you do, you won’t be so confused and upset by their decisions.
Pretty much every unpopular thing around here is a result of them trying to make the games pacing better and more appropriate for an mmorpg and the reason they have to do that is because for a decade the previous leadership just listened to the forums and added things that made the game require less time, less effort, less difficulty, and less thought.
I actually took the time to ask people in the classic forums about what they are excited about in classic that’s not in bfa and man is it funny to see the responses. Pretty much half of them are just diametrically opposed to what you might read in this thread.
Many of them mentioned things like flight, portals, and the importance of the world, yet here it seems like no one can understand why blizzard would think about doing this, even though there is an entirely separate project launching that would make them think about it.
I’m a human being just like you. I’m posting this from my phone and damn is it convienent. But there comes a time when you add so many shortcuts nothing is worked for any more. And that is a topic we need to discuss with open minds and the ability to see both sides on, because if things like removing flight and portals make you dislike the game so much, I think the problem is that you don’t actually like being a part of an mmorpg and it’s world.
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If they did only half the changes GD demanded the game would be unplayable or at a minimum lose more players. One thing I will modify slightly from the standard meme; you think you know but you don’t.
- Better according to who? Exactly.
- Appropriate for an MMORPG? Which MMORPG? They aren’t all the same or equal. Appropriate to what you believe an MMORPG should be? Maybe. But I already knew I frequently disagree with you on things.
Removing choice is a bad thing. Full stop.
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The irony is stifling.
Sorry, Metro. You might feel self-important with your green text and glowy avatar, but it means nothing to me and you don’t get to tell anyone what is or isn’t good for a game. It’s just your opinion, and green or not, it’s no better or worse than anybody else’s.
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That’s because 15 years is a long time. If people want those things, the classic server is there for them.
If you actually believe that the world is too small because of a few portals I don’t even know what to say lol. WoW is the most massively huge game of all time.
Classic has two continents. BfA has…7? That is ridiculous comparison, and purposefully very different games.
Yes if they blindly listened to GD that would be a problem, but they also make some dumb AF decisions that benefit no one.
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So do you get bonus Blizzard points for being a condescending sycophant?
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Downloading FFIV now.
Removing player freedom of choice is not the definition of mmorpg. Ciao.
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Personally I think he’s trying to get hired. It is the only explanation I can come up with for him that makes any sort of sense.
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Nah. A couple of the MVPs actually dissent from Blizzard’s Opinion occasionally, but by and large the majority of them toe the line and rush to the defense of any and everything Blizz states. I’m genuinely surprised when I see a greenpost on GD that isn’t telling players how they are wrong and Blizzard is right and perfect and great.
I’m surprised the MVP system survived the Forumclysm honestly. It was always a controversial program that went against their own stated goals, discussing “blue visibility” and how that was a bad thing but apparently green is okay, etc.
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You mean the CMs who usually posted fluff? Or during that long period during the holidays where tons of legitimate issues were piling up… yet the first post was nonsense?
Ftfy all i see you post is condescending drivel about how people only need to play your way. And posting false trash like blizzard is looking like it will remove LFR. One day many people will realize the MVPs are meaningless.
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You ask “What is good for World of Warcraft?” Is it better to have people not play the game anymore? Why change so many things so often over the course of an expansion? Why not announce the portals change for the next expansion, and get some ideas from players on how to move around to make things easier for players?
With every change that is made, Blizzard should consider whether the change is going to help bring new people to the game (say like Allied Races), keep people in the game (say like more mounts and pets), or drive people away from the game (like removing flying or portals). Very rarely would I think that a change that removes Player Agency and removes Player Choice would do anything but drive people away.
People are not going to start playing this game as a result of portals being removed.
People in Classic are excited about an environment where things mattered. Your name mattered, you couldnt change it, your realm mattered, you couldnt change it, where you were mattered as it took ages to get elsewhere.
People don’t want the crappy graphics or huge downtime or huge inconveniences of Classic. They will put up with those things for the benefits Classic brings. And Blizzard will add sharding and other things to destroy those benefits. People just want a stable environment where things mattered. The removal of portals was not something done before (Cataclysm and the re-vamp of a ton of zones besides), and people are voicing their complaints and opinions and suggestions about that.
Blizzard are not listening to that, and doubling down on the change, and that is a shame.
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What about when they are enjoying things that are contrary to a persistent world in an mmorpg?
FF14 seems to be doing just fine. BTW how do you know what makes a good MMO and what doesnt?
I’m not sure why so few people are capable of thinking about what’s good for the world of Warcraft and not just themselves but you would be better off starting. Once you do, you won’t be so confused and upset by their decisions.
We are…what i dont get is why you think you know whats good for me.
Pretty much every unpopular thing around here is a result of them trying to make the games pacing better and more appropriate for an mmorpg and the reason they have to do that is because for a decade the previous leadership just listened to the forums and added things that made the game require less time, less effort, less difficulty, and less thought.
Less time = good, Metro. Useless timesinks accomplish nothing. Tedium is still tedium. You mention the previous leadership…as I seem to recall, it wasnt until after they left things started going downhill.
I actually took the time to ask people in the classic forums about what they are excited about in classic that’s not in bfa and man is it funny to see the responses.
And…?
Pretty much half of them are just diametrically opposed to what you might read in this thread.
Then they can go play Classic.
Many of them mentioned things like flight, portals, and the importance of the world, yet here it seems like no one can understand why blizzard would think about doing this, even though there is an entirely separate project launching that would make them think about it.
FF 14 has portals, teleport and flight. Seems to work quite well. Youd be surprised what can be achieved when you treat those things as gameplay elements…not bad ideas.
But there comes a time when you add so many shortcuts nothing is worked for any more. And that is a topic we need to discuss with open minds and the ability to see both sides on, because if things like removing flight and portals make you dislike the game so much, I think the problem is that you don’t actually like being a part of an mmorpg and it’s world.
Actually, Metro, it makes me think about going to a game that makes those things WORK successfully.
It can be done.
It HAS been done.
Blizzard just wont do it.
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It’s kind’ve always been our way or the highway with Blizzard, even when their games were good.
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And that was all a lot bigger than portals or mounts. CRZ/Sharding, scaling, all sorts of things that have come since (that I’ve seen greens defend) all strongly took away from those MMORPG elements.
Where was Metro’s outrage when they attacked character progression, one of the foundational elements of MMORPGS, by instituting ilvl scaling?
Hmm.
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Im going to ask:
You posted on your phone. By rights, and by your own metrics, you shouldnt HAVE that phone or its functions. yet modern technology made it possible.
So…you are using a phone with systems and technology that to your mind, is “saving you time”…if thats the case, then why arent you using a Nokia 5110?
Since when has convenience or timesaving measures been a bad thing, Metro? Or are you that nonconversant with the modern gaming paradigm that stresses QUALITY of time not quantity?
Its a waste when you spend 4 hours online and accomplish nothing.
Since WHEN were timesinks for their own sake a good idea? It aint…not in todays market.
Your hark back to Classic is flat out wrong, and that kind of gameplay today is a non starter. Try and start an MMO using 2004 gameplay elements with no pre existing fanbase and see how far you get.
Metro
In short:
The pre existing fanbase is why Classic is viable. That is the only reason it is even going to exist. Full stop. Take that away and the game dies.
No one…NO ONE today will buy , let alone pay to play, an MMO based on 15 year old gameplay elements that are little more than endless timesinks.
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Ok, so I assume you just post this garbage with the hope no one actually knows how to use the search feature. Went through your entire joke of a thread and no where does anyone mention anything about portals. The closest thing is about porting to a dungeon through LFG/LFR. They are opposed to what the game has become and the vast majority center on “community.”
The mentions about the world are because the world was half the game in vanilla. That hasn’t been the case for years and years. If Blizzard wants to add something that actually makes that world interesting and fun again, I’m all for it but don’t mention your trash thread and misrepresent what was talked about in it to support your misguided concept of what makes a good MMO.
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Exactly, and CRZ/sharding has killed community far more than flying or portals ever did.
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Must be because they care about immersion.
Everyone knows by now that listening to players feedback destroys immersion!!!
It is true. I know that the extra small white knight helmet you have jammed on your skull prevents you from actually viewing reality, but it’s true.
But just for fun, name a big item people were pointing out from the beta that was fixed before BFA was launched. Just one. AAAAAaannnnnnnnd…GO!
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