They're quick to debunk a rumor but can't comment on a 4 month old thread. /thinkface
I highly doubt any changes will be made soon. The fact that this thread is so old speaks to that.
Think we'll hit 4500+ on this, where Blizz hopes it just gets forgotten about? I gotta be honest, how long do you need to "gather info" or "make a decision"? What we had before worked just fine, revert it. It was done before, actually it was done on the exact day they changed it. So what's the problem?
If you don't want to change it, for whatever reason then at least just come out and say this is how it's going to be, deal with it. I'd have more respect for you than silence. And no white knights, saying "we've extended the cap" isn't communicating.
If you don't want to change it, for whatever reason then at least just come out and say this is how it's going to be, deal with it. I'd have more respect for you than silence. And no white knights, saying "we've extended the cap" isn't communicating.
I wish you would have read the thread before you spewed the "wk" invective. No one has been defending this change, or Blizzard's response.10/15/2018 12:55 PMPosted by ButtercleaveAnd no white knights, saying "we've extended the cap" isn't communicating.
Yes, people were happy that the thread was extended and expressed their appreciation. But that was on those particular days, way back when we thought it was an indication of something happening.
One of the interesting things about this entire thread is that there really isn't anyone arguing in favor of the change. One or two very early posts tried to put a good spin on it, but they never really argued that all-in-one permissions were a boon to Guild Masters everywhere.
The majority of posters here are Guild Masters or others who have a vested interest in their own guilds, or guilds in general. That means the majority of posters here are actually WoW fans who spend a good deal of non-playing time running their guilds. We're not the "WoW is dying" crowd, but we're definitely not defending Blizzard's decisions regarding guilds.
Now, I'll assume you didn't mean to be insulting. I'm just getting sick and tired of players slapping all sorts of labels on other players as if it supports their own position somehow. This thread has pretty much been an oasis from that sort of thing. Let's keep it that way, okay?
After the low sub numbers were released now might be a better time than ever for Blizzard to help Guild Masters better their guilds the way they see fit and keep their little communities in working order.
It seems Blizz likes to dumb things down (ie; simplify things)
Lemme try...
Blizz changed guilds
Most all Guild Leaders HATE the change
Guild Leaders ask Blizzard to change guilds back.
Blizzard take a very long walk....(With it's collective fingers in it's ears...Whistling loudly....blindfolded...in the dark....)
Lemme try...
Blizz changed guilds
Most all Guild Leaders HATE the change
Guild Leaders ask Blizzard to change guilds back.
Blizzard take a very long walk....(With it's collective fingers in it's ears...Whistling loudly....blindfolded...in the dark....)
bump
Iām not a fan of having to create a ābarrierā level of access to prevent randoms from taking over my guild.
Typically it adds no utility other than ensuring some jaggwaggon doesnāt usurp me if my house gets hit by a hurricane or whatever.
Iād much prefer electing a player or perhaps group of players as ācaretakersā that get full permissions except for removing me from my rightful place so that I may ascend upon my glorious return.
Typically it adds no utility other than ensuring some jaggwaggon doesnāt usurp me if my house gets hit by a hurricane or whatever.
Iād much prefer electing a player or perhaps group of players as ācaretakersā that get full permissions except for removing me from my rightful place so that I may ascend upon my glorious return.
10/15/2018 01:19 PMPosted by IsthranstaulAfter the low sub numbers were released now might be a better time than ever for Blizzard to help Guild Masters better their guilds the way they see fit and keep their little communities in working order.
I wish that Blizzard understood what healthy, active, committed guild leaders do for their game and their sub numbers, but based on how guilds have been marginalized and slighted since MoP, I can't believe that they do.
I know I'm not the only guild leader who's now shopping around for a different MMO where I can actually have some agency, and my officer crew is right there with me.
Not sure if this was noticed / posted here previously or not.
From 10-2-18 in "If You Could Ask Ythisens Anything"
(That's actually a blue response. Not sure why it didn't show up that way...)
From 10-2-18 in "If You Could Ask Ythisens Anything"
Posted by Venjin
"Have the devs even LOOKED at the Guild Controls feedback thread?"
I actually read it almost everyday, at least all the new posts on it, and I can say that the devs have reviewed it a few times. Ion said it in a Q&A awhile back but please keep telling us what you'd like to see come back to those controls so that we can look into those. I know it's not a detailed of a response that you'd like to hear on it but that's all we really have on it at the moment.
(That's actually a blue response. Not sure why it didn't show up that way...)
10/16/2018 06:57 AMPosted by Druunahplease keep telling us what you'd like to see come back to those controls
Bruh. We've been saying it for 90+ pages.
Let us assign different permissions to different ranks (like we could for the entire history of the game); "Is Officer" is a no-go.
Not sure how much more plainly it can be put. Really not sure why or how anyone thought that particular change was a good idea in any way. Revert it and let the genius who came up with the change refill the soda machines.
Edit: It made it look like Druunah was saying that blue post quote. Don't worry hun, that snark isn't aimed at you. ;D
Another post (from page 36) explaining hte importance of guilds and how difficult the permissions changes are making things.
Notice this is another guild master looking at an outside program to do what work-arounds they can. Surely this is not what Blizzard intended to happen with the changes.07/28/2018 08:45 AMPosted by TakodaI've been in the same guild for 10+ years. This is my home, and these people are my family. Even when I actively hated the content of the game, I stayed for my guild.
On a more pragmatic level, I'm trying really hard to find a way to make it work. What will I do if Blizzard says, "this is the way it is now?" Scream into a pillow first, I suppose. After that, I'm not sure. At least some of the issues (like GM being unable to edit officer notes) are clearly bugs and will be addressed eventually. But I'm really worried about the "Officer" permissions box since it appears this is not exactly a bug.
Unless Blizzard intervenes, I don't foresee this going well. If the permissions are what they are, then I cannot run my guild because I do not have the tools to do it. Some things can be relocated to Discord (like event planning - I want any member to be able to organize a guild event). But other things (like marking alts or setting up a recruitment officer) are tricky or impossible.
07/24/2018 05:18 PMPosted by Ythisens07/24/2018 01:59 PMPosted by RestomakWe're at 23 pages now, and I suspect this thread will soon get locked without a page extension by Blizzard. I'm going to bump my own post made about this very exact topic. Feel free to continue there if this gets locked.
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20766206706
This isn't needed as I've extended the thread cap on this one. Thanks guys!
So in other words, you don't give a !@#$. Why is lying all you cocksuckers are capable of? Well besides manipulation...
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Not gonna do any name calling or spit fire.
Just gonna reiterate.
I'd like to get our guild structure back. And I've been very patient.
All the feedback needed has been given.
I'll also monitor Fumel's posts because I find them fascinating.
Just gonna reiterate.
I'd like to get our guild structure back. And I've been very patient.
All the feedback needed has been given.
I'll also monitor Fumel's posts because I find them fascinating.
10/15/2018 01:15 PMPosted by BrahminaOne of the interesting things about this entire thread is that there really isn't anyone arguing in favor of the change.
I'm not sure why you think that's interesting.
Praise is not something which happens around here.
Noise only happens when people don't like a thing.
Usually you see people arguing from multiple sides of an issue in these forums. I've looked at threads on topics that don't appear defensible, and there are folks defending it. I've looked at threads on topics that seemed like they'd be universally approved, and people are lambasting them.10/16/2018 10:10 AMPosted by Nobully10/15/2018 01:15 PMPosted by BrahminaOne of the interesting things about this entire thread is that there really isn't anyone arguing in favor of the change.
I'm not sure why you think that's interesting.
Praise is not something which happens around here.
Noise only happens when people don't like a thing.
This thread, from what I've seen at least, has been different. I've yet to find a post saying, "Blizzard is right! You don't need more than one rank to do all these different roles." I've seen one or two that said it isn't a problem for their guild, but they didn't claim everyone else was wrong. To me, a thread with nearly universal condemnation of a change Blizzard has made, with no one defending it, is interesting.
I actually think itās disgusting how an MMO can just trash guild structure like it has. It is not a single player game. You make it that, well, Iām sure most of us would move on.
Blizzaed, I think itās high time you invite some guild leaders to the table and ask what do you want. I donāt think any of us are MVPs, I donāt think any of us have the time since our game passion centers around being a guild leader. Most of us are professionals with good jobs, usually also some kind of organizational position, as this is where we gravitate to. So, invite and ask us.
We have given dozens of suggestions. We have given feedback. Are communities useful and was it worth changing how we did things with guilds? I donāt think so. At the beginning there was a lot of community hype, but discord has replaced most of it again - community happens there, we post gifs, memes etc. canāt do that in game. All my guild of 400+ accounts uses them for is chatting in raids so we donāt spam guild chat. Each of the three raid teams has their own. All of the others I use have pretty much gone quiet in the last month, and Iāve left a few as they arenāt useful.
Meanwhile, my guild structure is compromised. I have new players that seem to change their notes everyday which raises my stress level. Iāve resorted to another add on to track this !@#$. I canāt assign specific positions anymore.
Many useful suggestions have been given. Please listen. Many of us are working hard behind the scene to communicate across servers to sort out your mess. I donāt think Iāve seen GMs come together like this since you removed our forum.
Do something useful. Allow me to turn off all permissions and then give specific people specific duties. Give me more than 999 players so I can get rid of the 3 alt guilds. Give me more than 10 ranks so I can organize the way I need to. Just do something please.
Ion, and the rest of you, consider how your position would be hampered if they homogenized your job.
Blizzaed, I think itās high time you invite some guild leaders to the table and ask what do you want. I donāt think any of us are MVPs, I donāt think any of us have the time since our game passion centers around being a guild leader. Most of us are professionals with good jobs, usually also some kind of organizational position, as this is where we gravitate to. So, invite and ask us.
We have given dozens of suggestions. We have given feedback. Are communities useful and was it worth changing how we did things with guilds? I donāt think so. At the beginning there was a lot of community hype, but discord has replaced most of it again - community happens there, we post gifs, memes etc. canāt do that in game. All my guild of 400+ accounts uses them for is chatting in raids so we donāt spam guild chat. Each of the three raid teams has their own. All of the others I use have pretty much gone quiet in the last month, and Iāve left a few as they arenāt useful.
Meanwhile, my guild structure is compromised. I have new players that seem to change their notes everyday which raises my stress level. Iāve resorted to another add on to track this !@#$. I canāt assign specific positions anymore.
Many useful suggestions have been given. Please listen. Many of us are working hard behind the scene to communicate across servers to sort out your mess. I donāt think Iāve seen GMs come together like this since you removed our forum.
Do something useful. Allow me to turn off all permissions and then give specific people specific duties. Give me more than 999 players so I can get rid of the 3 alt guilds. Give me more than 10 ranks so I can organize the way I need to. Just do something please.
Ion, and the rest of you, consider how your position would be hampered if they homogenized your job.
10/16/2018 10:22 AMPosted by BrahminaUsually you see people arguing from multiple sides of an issue in these forums. I've looked at threads on topics that don't appear defensible, and there are folks defending it. I've looked at threads on topics that seemed like they'd be universally approved, and people are lambasting them.10/16/2018 10:10 AMPosted by Nobully...
I'm not sure why you think that's interesting.
Praise is not something which happens around here.
Noise only happens when people don't like a thing.
This thread, from what I've seen at least, has been different. I've yet to find a post saying, "Blizzard is right! You don't need more than one rank to do all these different roles." I've seen one or two that said it isn't a problem for their guild, but they didn't claim everyone else was wrong. To me, a thread with nearly universal condemnation of a change Blizzard has made, with no one defending it, is interesting.
I'm not so sure if I'd call it *just* interesting. Telling, is another good word. For the very same reasons you quoted. Crepe had a perfect opportunity to come here and bring the Pro-Blizz talk, but didn't. The two Green posts we have gotten here are actually in the same flavor as the original complaint. Universal consensus is hard to achieve...yet here we've found it.
Sheesh, this isn't rocket surgery Blizzard. Please give us a toggle that reinstates the OLD Guild UI so that we guild leaders regain the control over rank permissions we formerly had.
Which, apparently, even my read-through and repost efforts aren't bringing enough attention to.10/16/2018 10:32 AMPosted by MoirashaWe have given dozens of suggestions. We have given feedback.
Here's another "blast from the past" (still page 36, still July):
The last paragraph is pretty much what we've all been asking for--beyond an actual fix, of course.07/28/2018 10:34 AMPosted by KeiralynnSo the other day I sat reworking guild ranks and attempting to fix the mess and try to make the best of it all. I had to reach out to an officer, ask them to log in, and dictate who to demote, who to put notes on, etc because I was not physically able to. I spent 30 mins trying everything I could to be able to make public notes/officer notes and demotions stick. I relogged, completely exited the game, closed down the bnet app, made sure there were no updates, disabled add-ons, etc and was 100% unable to do ANYTHING I needed to do to fix things. I am assuming this is a huge bug. This is kind of scary because I lack the ability to even do what Officers can do as a GM. So really if no Officers are on to try to help me the guild effectively is able to run amok while I sit there helpless to do anything about it.
I have had to put recruiting on hold because of all this.
Beyond frustrating.
I do wonder if since the scaling system is broken so badly at 60-80 if their time and attention is going to that as priority number 1 and this will follow after they figure that all out. It would seem to me the sharding problem for RP realms isn't as involved as this problem is and that is why they were able to handle it. I know things take time to pour through billions of line of code. I have seen one "if then" hidden away be a problem that can make or break a code.
I prefer they take their time to actually fix this right. While incredibly frustrating I would be more upset by them not taking their time, rushing things out, and being stuck with something.
It would be nice to have some form of validation that we are being heard and they have this on their to do list. Anything but silence would be appreciated.