The new Guild UI and Permissions...yikes (Part 1)

Cheheals-gilneas · December 8, 2020, 12:05am

Cheheals:

Well! Blizzard have responded to yet another one of my bug reports regarding the guild controls!

After Communities came out, new guildies would of course, automatically enter as lowest rank and our lowest rank was muted in gchat. In our guild that rank is Wednesday and all Wednesdays had to be ranked up to Thursday (new member) so they could use the gchat. Well for the longest time, new guildies had to log off then back on to gchat! Now, after me and other guild leaders sent in the same bug report 2x a month, for many months, I’m happy to report it has been fixed ! New guildies just need to be ranked up to Thursday and now they can, like it was intended, gchat. Woohoo!

I just wanted to encourage you all to try tested avenues that get the results you are after. Remember, the only blue response here we ever got came from me submitting requests in-game and posting…where Blizzard told us to post it.

I’m perfectly happy with the guild controls as they are now, however if I were unhappy about them, I would submit a suggestion 2x a month as well consider submitting it as a bug (both in game). If there had been over 4k such reports, I wonder if people would have been listened to? Anything worth having is worth fighting for, so make sure you use all the tools at your disposal!

Thanks again Blizzard! Good luck out there to you players and enjoy Shadowlands!

Hey! They fixed something and you missed it!

Brahmina-khadgar · December 8, 2020, 4:02am

Um. You did inform us of this earlier, yes. We didn’t “miss it.”

They have actually fixed a few other things since this thread was started well over two years ago. But they never fixed the changes to guild permissions, which Ion said were unintentional and were being worked on. And recently, a bunch of other things got borked–at least for guilds that are on realms that got merged. Some of those things also have been fixed, and some have not.

Honestly, it’s really hard to get excited about one or two fixes when they’ve ignored the thing they claimed to be fixing and other things seem to be continually breaking.

Fumel-arathor · December 10, 2020, 5:07pm

Just because I haven’t posted about this for a few days doesn’t mean I’m content to let things stand as they are.

I can’t believe I was actually defending Blizzard earlier in this thread, making excuses for why they couldn’t fix things right away. You know, back at the start of BfA. Now we’re at the start of another expansion, and there are no more excuses. Give us back our granular permissions, Blizz.

Altherei-wyrmrest-accord · December 13, 2020, 5:07pm

I wish I could say I was still optimistic for a fix.

I’m not.

It’s been two years, and communities continue to break and guild permissions remain bundled. No word. I wish I could say I was surprised by this horrendous communication and lack of care for the playerbase.

I’m not.

I’ll continue to bump this thread every so often on the offchance Ion decides to remember to make good on his word… but again, I’m not optimistic. I may be saltier than normal but come -on-, Blizz. This really doesn’t need to be so difficult. Communication can’t be this hard for you.

Brahmina-khadgar · December 14, 2020, 3:18am

Apparently it is.

I feel very much like they’re just going through the motions with WoW now. There’s no one in charge who really gives a darn. Fixing this problem would require that someone at Blizzard HQ cares, so yeah. We’re talking to a wall.

Illoramoan-grizzly-hills · December 14, 2020, 11:08pm

But we can’t stop, or else when someone finally does come take a look at it, or is forced to do so, it’ll seem an issue no one cares about anymore and not worth the effort of fixing.

Fumel-arathor · December 15, 2020, 5:12am

Was looking at my guild controls again this evening. I don’t know why I bother. I’m sure if they actually made any changes, they’d make a big announcement about it and try to look like they’re actually doing things for guilds (rather than giving us back what we used to have).

I keep hoping though, so I keep checking. It’s my daily dose of disappointment.

Takoda-kul-tiras · December 19, 2020, 5:16am

moar persimmons buff plz guild neds

k thx

Bullgrum-skywall · December 21, 2020, 4:42pm

as someone who has been playing for 16 years… and raiding for the majority of those… the ammount of scandelous sh* that goes on in officer chat would boggle most people’s minds… hahaha

Brahmina-khadgar · December 22, 2020, 3:57am

I doubt it would faze those of us who frequent the general discussion forums.

Still looking to have the permissions like they used to be. I’m not going to give up even though it seems we’re being completely ignored. Maybe someone at Blizz HQ will come to their senses.

Takoda-kul-tiras · December 23, 2020, 10:57pm

Takoda:

Santa baby, slip a present under the tree for me
I been an awful good drood
Santa baby, give my guild permissions back

Santa baby, I want just one simple thing this year
I’ve waited for so dang long
Santa baby, give my guild permissions back

Think of all the fun I’ve missed
Think of the world trees that I haven’t burned
Next year I could be as good
If you’ll just give my guild back

Santa baby, just one change and really that’s not a lot
Been an angel all year
Santa baby, give my guild permissions back

Santa honey, one thing I really do need, some news
I’d like to hear from a blue
Santa baby, give my guild permissions back

Come and share a cocoa with me
Together we can build a better interface
I really do believe in you
Let’s see if you believe in me

Santa cutie, forgot to mention one little thing, recruits
The guild finder’s a mess
Santa baby, but give my guild permissions back
Give my guild permissions back

Blizzard…you responded to the guild finder bit. But I think you missed the rest of the song. Let’s try this again.

belts it out at the top of her lungs

Fumel-arathor · December 23, 2020, 11:04pm

Here’s the feedback you asked for, Ion:

Separated guild permissions allows GM’s to spread responsibilities out among the guild’s officers. If someone drops the ball, we know exactly who it was.

Separated guild permissions allows GM’s to reward guildies who have proven themselves. The team players get more control and responsibility.

Separated guild permissions help GM’s test a guildie’s trustworthiness. Start them with one or two responsibilities and see how they do.

Separated guild permissions allow GM’s to tailor the guild structure to fit their particular guild. No two guilds are the same: a one-size-fits-all permission system is really one-size-fits-none.

We were told this change was unintentional and a fix was in the works. That was forever ago. When is the fix coming? If you’re not going to change anything, why not just tell us this is how it’s going to be?

Altherei-wyrmrest-accord · December 25, 2020, 4:13pm

All I want for Christmas is my two fro–

Er, sorry. Guild Permissions. All I want for Christmas is my granular guild permissions.

This pressure cooker is nice, though!

Brahmina-khadgar · December 28, 2020, 2:04am

I’m pretty much assuming we’re not getting a fix this year.

It’s hard to believe Blizzard has ignored this problem (and this thread) this long. It’s like it’s a completely different company from the one that first developed WoW.

I don’t know if it’s better or worse that Ion asked for feedback about guilds and said they had a fix for this in the works. I mean, was he lying, or were they working on it and then just dropped it? Are guilds really that unimportant to Blizzard now?

Thalila-blades-edge · December 28, 2020, 2:26am

This is an Activision game now … the people who were Blizzard have quit or been fired.

Illoramoan-grizzly-hills · December 31, 2020, 10:12pm

Almost enough to make me figure out Twitter… at least my sister appears to have checked the ‘is officer’ box for the rank she made for my characters. But it puts me as having only slightly less power than she herself has.

Lucyclawless-durotan · January 1, 2021, 5:41am

Another year, another cold shoulder. Looks like we have been forgotten folks. Oh well, RIP Guilds. RIP WoW when it was good. Looking in the BUG REPORT forum, it seems as though we are still in the Beta test and maybe by August or October we will have gotten all the major bugs worked out. But to be perfectly honest I Am to the point I wish I could get my money back and go do something else. I saw this shizzle show coming and my expectations were met.

Brahmina-khadgar · January 2, 2021, 5:10am

I got one of those tips on the log-in that said to use the guild finder to join up with like-minded folks to play with. Something like that. It was basically pushing guilds. But when is Blizz going to help us out? Why tell folks to join guilds when it feels like they’re trying to kill guilds? I feel like Blizz is as messed up as the different factions in Shadowlands.

Skaoi-frostmourne · January 3, 2021, 8:55am

I can’t believe it’s now over four thousand posts and over 18 months since this was first posted about, and not only has there been complete radio silence from Blizzard since August 2018, but no changes have been made.

This is STILL incredibly inconvenient and still an issue for me on a weekly basis as a guild leader. If Blizzard don’t want to change it, they could at least provide a response to say so and their reasoning behind leaving it as-is despite the negative feedback.

Brahmina-khadgar · January 3, 2021, 10:47pm

Not to be picky, but we’re going on 30 months since this started. July 2018 to January 2021. I guess an extra year of ignoring this doesn’t really matter to Blizz anyway.

^100% this.

As much as I want the issue fixed, I’ll be satisfied if we can at least get some honesty.

Every time I look at the permissions, I have to ask, “How hard is it to put check boxes by each of the permissions instead of lumping them together?” I don’t do coding. Is it really that difficult, or are they just not working on it? I mean, what is the holdup?