THIS. A thousand times this.
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My sisterâs guild got a few more people in it, and Iâm pretty sure she hasnât ticked the âis officerâ for any of us. One of us needed a new character to have access to the guild bank in the goblin starter zone, and she had to log in to give permission (set his rank properly). I tried, another tried, we had no capability. She might just trust us a bit more if she could control what access we haveâŚ
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Yeah.
For me itâs not really so much about trust as it is about being able to distribute permissions effectively. Thereâs no need for everyone to have all the âis officerâ permissions, but I* would really like to parcel out at least a few of those permissions.
*âIâ in this case is actually Fumel.
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I didnât really notice the April Foolâs joke Blizz did this year. I suppose I should be glad it wasnât them saying âHEY WE FIXED THE PERMISSIONSâ followed by a swift âSIKEâ.
Call me a chip, 'cause Iâm salty.
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Welp, better start planning this yearâs anniversary party.
Donât forget your masks and gloves everyone!
Iâll need a bigger venue of course, so we can all stay 6 feet away from each other.
PSA; both game and IRL issues covered at once.
Stay safe and keep the faith!
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So. I was going to really buckle down and actually play today.
Right.
Logged in. Looked at my guild. Looked at the permissions. No! Iâm going to play! Shrugged it off (the lack of permission flexibility). Checked my mail. Went to the Darkmoon Faire. Finished that and started questing.
Could NOT get the permissions out of my mind.
Logged out.
(fix the permissions, blizz)
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Has anyone heard about any permissions improvements in Shadowlands? Can you even look at the guild UI in the alpha? Iâm still on the fence about buying the expansion right now, and some hint that theyâve actually addressed this issue would be appreciated.
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This is never gonna get fixed. They have been telling us that they âare listening to usâ, about this for how long? The first post on this thread is from Jul 2018.
*smh
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Ion gave what seems to be a fairly in-depth interview on Shadowlands and the AlphaâŚ
I havenât watched it yet, but Iâve seen no mention of any changes to the guild UI or the general swiss-cheese status of communities in general now. Itâs really like theyâve just stopped giving two hoots about -anything- and just want to skip ahead to Shadowlands and pretend everything is great.
Like Iâm hyped for the new customizations, but if critical functions of your game are broken, Blizz, people wonât stick around for the shinies for long. Fix the guild permissions.
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Iâm hypothesizing this now but I feel like the next step, probably into Shadowlands is to remove guilds completely and let everyone use Bnet communities as a new guild interface. This way you can play with people from any server and no limitations to the number of people you have.
One of the biggest issues I am having right now is that we have players with more alts than time to play them but with this bonus XP period they are actively playing them to level up. I have 180 people on about 700 characters, and most of those people log in once a day. Some once a week. None of them have been away more than a month. I keep trying to recruit players who want to play specifically with our active raid group but at the rate I am going I will be forced to ask people to stop bringing their alts because we are at character-cap.
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Another interview was given (or is it the same one? Iâm not sure), and in this one thereâs a comment about how people feel feedback isnât being listened to. Ionâs response?
Essentially, âweâre behindâ. Okay, behind on what? That still doesnât mean you canât give answers to the people who are waiting for feedback- especially when theyâve been giving that feedback to you for OVER A YEAR. Even just, âhey, weâre behind and super swamped right now, but weâre seeing your feedback and itâs something we are actively working onâ would be nice. But instead, itâs continued radio silence.
Also they better not remove guilds entirely or Iâll be real heckinâ mad. Guilds are the only community-based feature that still work remotely as intended, gutting of permissions aside. If we lose them for these swiss-cheese communities that break more and more each day then I will be most cross.
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Communities have been an awful addition to the game. They are not used widely, have worse function than guilds, and feel so much less personal than guilds. I just want the old permissions back with a focus on guilds instead of a worse version of Discord. Blizzard, please, stop wasting money on this! Stop putting dev hours into something that is so much worse than its competitors! Just please focus on making guilds more functional instead of reinventing the wheel.
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The problem with this is that I feel guilds and communities serve completely different functions. Do communities have access to a shared bank? Can they be configured like a serious raiding or PvP guild? Is there a management structure that allows for various levels of permissions? Can members trade with each other? Can they send mail to each other?
Iâve never used the communities feature, so I donât really know how they work, but I assume theyâre much more loosely organized than a guild. Even with our current crappy all-in-one permissions, I feel that guilds are still more relevant and useful than communities.
One things for sure, if Blizz wants to drive that final nail in WoWâs coffin, continuing to treat guilds like an afterthought will do it.
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Gotta say, Iâm kind of struggling with depression right now. Mostly Iâve been controlling it by avoiding Wow. I feel like every time I try to log inâor even think about logging inâI remember all the issues with the game that Blizz said they would fix. Issues that are still hanging around like a dead albatross.
Iâd like to get back into the game. Honestly, I really would. But I just canât right now. I keep hoping for some indication that a fix for the permissions is actually on the horizon.
I know there are lots of worse events going on in the world. I know the permissions problem is a small one in the grand scheme of things.
I still want the permissions fixed.
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Several of us have said all along, this was their âignore it till they go awayâ tactic⌠itâs why they shoved all the conversation into one topic.
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One more idea for Guilds to improve with in Shadowlands. (aka ideas that will be tossed out)
Guilds should be able to have persons with a Raid Leader attached to their designation much like a Raid Assist or Tank affix in a raid group. This way if this person is involved in a raid group with enough people from the guild to make a raid party, they would get specific abilities to control the raid.
One of these abilities would be to adjust where the party begins in a raid dungeon, very similar to extending the lockout of a previous raid encounter. Currently the process is tedious and frustrating but for guilds who are attempting to progress and wish to skip bosses they have mastered, this is a necessary process.
Additionally these raid leaders should have the ability to invoke Loot Master rules again because this was a fundamental part of raiding. Now itâs become more of a past time and no one cares if they disenchant or scrap a piece of 460 gear that would have replaced a 410 on a newbie. I say no one but really I dont have that problem with my guild but in other groups itâs not just a problem, itâs a disease.
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Unfortunately I believe that this is correct.
To me it feels like they are hoping that with all the hype around Shodowlands they can drop a lot of staple systems they no longer want.
Guilds are a thorn in the side when they want to still focus on communities; once again you have to love communities as the devs hubris clouds their vision.
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We did get the revamped guild recruitment system.
It wasnât much, but enough to keep me hanging on to this last thread of a sliver of dying hope for a little while longer yet that theyâll address the rest of this guild mess.
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I do like being able to use the guild search thingy to get one of my own alts into my guild without having to bug anyone else. Or wait for them to wake up, Iâm a bit of a night owl. 
With all of the toon customization coming, it sure would be nice to be able to customize our guilds, again, as well!
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^10,000X this!
There have been oodles of amazing guild-improvement ideas presented throughout this thread. (I should know, Iâve reread and quoted nearly all of them at least twice!) I really hope that someone at Blizz was taking notes back thenâand that theyâre going to use them.
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