While I would certainly agree that reverting to classic permissions is absolutely a requirement, I think it falls short of what we really need to see: a complete overhaul / modernization of how guilds function.
Why do we not have the ability to spawn as many ranks as we need and individually set permissions for each one of them according to how we intend to utilize them?
Why do Guilds still have a member cap of 1000 members, forcing many to engage in maintaining massive coalitions of multiple individual āguildsā to house a single community?
Why do various āGuild Itemsā have different colors / saturation levels instead of a unified appearance when they are placed? Also, why have none been added in years?
Why have there not been guild logos and design enhancements added in years?
I honestly believe that guilds are one of the only reasons that WoW did not completely collapse into the dumpster fire that was BFA at launch. Communities and their leaders need to be treated with respect by Blizzard, and given the tools needed to grow and nurture our communities. We invest volunteer work every day of every week to make paying subscribers feel like they are ācoming homeā to something every time they log in.
Iām with you; I am hoping to see some desired changes in the next patch. There is hope but I am also filled with doubt. I imagine blizzard as the lazy neighborhood kid next door that leaves his bicycle in your yard because itās too hard to push it home after playing with your kids all day. Instead they will just leave it in your yard for the next few days until you get sick of it and put it back in his yard for him, only for him to ride it over the next day and start the process all over again. Or until you put your foot down and tell him not to play at your house anymore, but then your kids donāt get to have their friend anymoreā¦
Lengthy analogy so let me explain how it relates:
The problem with the UI is like the bicycle in the yard, itās an eyesore and makes it hard to do things like water the flowers or mow the grass (maintain the roster, manage the ranks) and itās also difficult to invite people to the (guild) house.
When youāve asked the (blizzard) neighbor kid nicely to fix this problem, they either ignore you completely or give you the response that they will take care of it soon, yet nothing changes, or maybe itās such a minor change that it leaves you feeling like they are not serious or being snarky even.
Now you are to the point that you need to fix this problem because itās now conflicting with something you are doing so you (adapt your officer ranks so that the powers are conforming) pick up the bicycle and put it behind the fence. But then the very next day you realize the problem is not gone, itās just in a different place.
Now you are stuck with the choice of allowing this to continue like it is or (just cancelling your sub and leaving) telling the kid to go home and take his bicycle with him, never to return. But if you do that, then the (guild) children at your house suffers.
Thereās no real recourse for us. We certainly canāt punish the neighbor kid, or can we? And at the same time, our kids donāt deserve to be punished except that maybe we should encourage them to pick better friends? I donāt really know.
I wonāt say Iām filled with doubt, but Iām definitely not all-in hopeful. Perhaps reservedly hopeful. Iām generally an optimist, but Iām always mindful of how often things donāt work out. Kind of the āhope for the best, plan for the worstā philosophy.
Just the very fact that they mentioned on the launcher they were addressing āongoing guild issuesā is way ahead of what we were getting earlier. So, it looks like they really are working on a fix like Ion said.
3846 replies over the course of 1 year and 7 months and Blizzard has given no indicator of definitive plans to restore permissions or further improve them.
This is embarrassing from a professional standpoint.
I honestly donāt need to know their plans, definitive or otherwise. Ion said they were working on a fix. It would have been nice if someone had said that here in this thread, but it was on a Q&A, so that counts as official in my book.
How much longer will we have to wait? No idea. But the testing they were doing yesterday gives me hope for the patch, or at least no later than Shadowlands.
I know itās dumb, but I canāt help thinking that maybe the patch will bring some sort of change for the better to our permissions. That little maintenance thing they did the other day with guilds and communities has really messed with my head. I keep thinking, āBut why would they do that if they werenāt fixing something?ā
I know, I know. Iām losing it. But Tuesday feels like lottery day to me. Iām holding my ticket and waiting for them to draw my numbers. Until we get there and it turns out Iām holding squat, at least I can dream.
Thatās 90% of the reason Fumel logs in. The other 10% is checking on the guild members, making sure the bank is sorted out, and approving any new applications.
She wants to play, but having the way her guild should be structured mandated to her by persons who have never shared what sheās gone through to get here only causes more heartache.
What sucks is that what she had was the best setup for her, and it was all wrecked. It killed a lot of her love for the game.
I totally commiserate. It seems like more and more often, Blizz finds a way to make me feel gut-punched. Iām keeping my fingers crossed for some permissions improvements though. Itās been more than long enough.
I said āchuck itā and went to Classic where I can have fun my way and Guild Permissions arenāt insanely butchered to uselessness. Canāt wait for other legacy servers. Iām beyond done with Retail.
Sorry Brahmina, the game sucks on toast now and most of my guildmates donāt even bother logging in anymore. When 8.3 drops and players find out that all the time they spent grinding out Pathfinger was a waste of time, I predict people are gawnā git mad.
I truly liked Cata for the most part except for the destruction of the world (I love old AZ) and the class/talent pruning. However this was nothing compared to the butchering done in Legion.
When servers emptied out, they should have been merged in order to preserve server communities. But the geniuses at Blizzard couldnāt figure out how to handle duplicate names. Can you believe? (I donāt). So we have CRZ instead, which literally did destroy server communities.
Retail guild permissions? It almost doesnāt matter anymore.
