Yes, the new guild finder is a definite improvement, and being able to invite offline players is a welcome addition. It would be nice to have a way to clear certain lines from the log (such being able to remove the people who joined, joined another or cancel and just keep the approved/pending).
The permissions remain problematic for guilds like our social guild where we have always had multiple levels of officers, and as we have discussed previously, create issues for a variety of other types of guilds.
Since you mentioned it, I will also say that I find the brutosaur decision to be confounding. Nothing was ever said to suggest that it was anything different than the yak or mammoth. Personally, Iāve spent over 500k just in the last couple of weeks on pets and mounts for myself and my son and probably 1.5-2m during BFA on goodies for my family and friends. Had it been disclosed that the mount would be going away at some point, I would have budgeted differently.
Just wanted to add that it would be nice to be able to see the date when they were approved and be able to rescind the approval. (Has anyone seen any docs on this? Do we know how long the approval lasts or how long things stay in the log?)
And not to be snide, but why is communication such a challenge, even when good things are happening?
This is a salient point. I had three approved applications waiting for a response the last time I looked. Iām willing to wait on them a while, but I donāt think I want to have them hanging around forever. If the players canāt make up their minds in a reasonable time, guilds ought to be able to rescind the invitations.
Exactly. For our social guild itās an inconvenience, but letās say you have a raiding guild and invite a player for a particular role and they donāt accept in a timely fashion, so you fill it with someone else. You should be able to rescind the invitation and not just have them join whenever they feel like it (waiting for them join so you can remove them shouldnāt be the default behavior). I can think of several scenarios like this.
But in the event someone actually reads this (yeah, snarky I know, but it has been over a year now!) - I would rather have the permissions unbundled. Thanks Uncle Blizzā¦
Because code that doesnāt exist is code you donāt have to pay people to maintain. That means they can milk an extra tenth of a percentage point of profit for their investors and get those fat bonuses. They care exactly as much about user experience as we make them care, and they only way to make them care is to impact their metrics and unsubscribe.
Itās harsh, but that is the reality of who you are dealing with here.
Still wishing I had more options for assigning permissions now that I have more members in my guild. Itās just a little guild designed for alts, but I want to treat everyone fairly.
I canāt imagine how difficult it must be to handle a large guild that has a lot of different things going on. I mean, if your guild only does raiding, I suppose you could get by with the permissions lumped together. But I think it would be a nightmare if a guild had all kinds of other events for the members and the GM couldnāt assign permissions as needed. All the āhelperā characters would have to be officersāeven if they didnāt need all those permissions.
We were told to give specific feedback and offer suggestions for solving our problem(s). Having the permissions separated out again is the very best solution for our problem. It doesnāt get any more specific than that.
No changes on the permissionsābut I expect Blizz to announce some sort of āamazingā overhaul of guilds before we actually see any improvements. They take stuff away in stealth mode, but they send off fireworks when they add things.
One of my new members donated money to the bank, so I felt I had to give a promotion. Itās getting hard to find appropriate ways to thank members for their generosity. Especially since at least three of my newest members are way richer than I am! It would be nice to have more perks to unlock, or a guild hall with special vendors, or something new and shiny to make guilds feel special again.
Well, for some reason I canāt seem to change my forum avatar.
Pretend this is being posted by a certain red-haired human rogue instead of a black-horned tauren hunter:
Got another request to join my guild today. A few of the previous applicants chose other guilds, which is fine. Iām beginning to completely agree with Polgaraās desire to clean up the applicant history. The only reason I can see for keeping track of who declined an invitation would be so I could not invite them if they applied again. But I would never reject an applicant out of spite that they joined a different guild when I first invited them, so keeping track of that is just silly.
Still, I thing the new guild finder is much better than the old one despite its few flaws. I wish I could say the same thing about the changes to the permissions. We really need to have the old permissions back. This is just getting ridiculous.
Is anyone else having any issues changing their forum avatar? I made a post in the website bug thread, but thatās not actually fixing the problem for me. I suppose I can try the CS forum if things donāt get straightened out soon.
All I really want is for the game (and the forums) to function properly. That includes having the permissions fixed. Ion acknowledged there was an issue with the permissions and that they were actively working on a fix. That means the permissions arenāt āworking as intendedā and we arenāt wrong to be expecting some action on them.
Yes, the new guild finder is definitely a step in the right direction, but itās not a fix. I truly hope we donāt have to wait another year for this.
Yay! A poster in the CS forum gave me a solution to my avatar problem.
Now, if only Blizzard would come up with a solution to our permissions problem, things would be going great! My little guild is doing okay, but Iād sure like to maybe be more than an alt guild. I just donāt know how I can manage a ārealā guild if I canāt delegate responsibilities. I sincerely donāt have the time to run one all by myself. I barely have time to play.
I still think that more perks designed for all sizes of guilds would be great. Guild Halls have been discussed in this thread multiple times. Rewards that could be earned by small guilds would be terrific. We have all these ideas that have been repeatedly brought up in this thread, but the number one thing we want is still granular permissions. I truly donāt see whatās so hard about that.
The discussion in the Brutosaur thread has touched on containment threads. How Blizzard shunts everything into a mega thread when a controversy crops up, then ignores it until it goes away.
Iād like to think thatās not really what theyāre doing here. That Ion wasnāt lying when he said they were working to fix the permissions, and that he really does want other suggestions for improving guilds.
Contrary to what another contributor here says, I donāt post here to āpad my statsā (whatever that actually means). I post because I feel the all-in-one permissions are terrible for guild management. We absolutely need the granular permissions back so we can properly manage our guilds.
Iām not going to let this issue drop, even if Iām the last one posting. Contain me if you want, but youāre not going to shut me up.
Lol. I honestly donāt remember. Ion is a lawyer, so yeah, itās hard to be optimistic about his ātruthiness.ā
No big changes on the guild front, unfortunately. Still have several approved applicants who havenāt made any decisions. I guess is doesnāt matter in my guildās case, but Iām sure some guilds would find it frustrating to not know if an applicant was going to accept or not. There doesnāt seem to be a way to rescind an invitation.
Of course, tweaks to the guild finder arenāt nearly as important as bringing back granular permissions. Iāve thought hard about some kind of ācompromiseā, but there really isnāt one. We need to have the permissions separated so they can be assigned as needed. Every guild had different needs. A one-size-fits-all guild control simply doesnāt work.
Iāve considered going back and quoting more of the great suggestions posted throughout this thread, but if Blizzard didnāt read them the first time, why would they read them now?
Aside from breaking up the permissions and adding more controls, there have been numerous detailed suggestions regarding guild halls and perks. Blizzard never said anything about the new guild finder until it showed up on the PTR. Dare we hope that other guild improvements will suddenly appear for testing? Fingers are crossed!
So, no big changes in my guild since the initial wave of applicants. My new members have been very nice. People have filled up the bank and donated gold. I used some of that gold to buy another tab.
Iāve promoted them as best I can, but I canāt make them officers because that would give them way too many permissions. One left the guild and moved on to another. They didnāt say why, but Iām sure they just decided they wanted a more active guild. Mine is currently an alt guild where people can get guild perks without having to deal with any guild drama or responsibilities. I fear itās going to stay this way unless I can get more granular guild controls.
