My condolences Fumel. Peace and love unto you and your family.
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Hey look, Iâm Venjin! âWaah wahh waaah GCD sucksâ âWaah waah waah when will that stupid shield dropâ rofl.
Please restore guild permissions so he has at least one win in BfA lol.
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Hey look, Iâm Stormtusk! âPlzbringbacktotemsand2Henhanceomgnerfpallies!â
Once permissions are back Iâm creating a special rank called âNerfbatâ just for you.
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Thanks everyone for your good thoughts; they are much appreciated. Iâm still adjusting to the ânew normalâ.
My sister talked with Blizzard and was able to take over our brotherâs account. Her goal is to finish all the quests in his three charactersâ logs. She had been playing with him regularly the last few months and feels finishing things would be a good tribute.
Would that Blizzard was as responsive to our request(s) as they were to hers. True, weâre asking for something a little more complicated than simply changing an account from one person to another, but weâve been asking for much longer.
My goal is to keep posting until the permissions are broken up againâor the thread is closed. Somehow I feel my sister will likely meet her goal first.
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Seems to me that they want to promote communities at the expense of guilds, maybe they have it in mind to have cross faction communities replace guilds so they donât have to address faction imbalance in a future patch?
Nothing makes sense about this other than them being completely disconnected from the wants and needs of their playerbase.
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Why extent the post count limit without answering the players on why you chose to make something worse for no reason.
âMom, the house is on fire!â âThanks Andy!â.
Actually, they didnât âchooseâ to make it worse. Ion admitted in a Q&A a while back that the permissions issue is a problem theyâre âactively working onâ (whatever that means).
Iâm wondering if anyone who checks on this thread is on the PTR and if they have any information on if thereâs anything coming up for guilds in 8.3. There was a revamp of the guild finder supposedly coming in 8.2.5, but that has yet to make it live.*
It seems to me that the communities feature has done a great job of completely screwing up guildsâto the point that even Blizzard canât launch a new guild feature they fully intended to launch. I donât know how entangled it all is, but it makes me think they should just yank the communities and start over. (Full disclosure: I have never used the communities, so I realize Iâm being unfair to those who do.)
*EDIT!
The finder is now live! (According to the site news feed.) Iâm going to log in and check it out. 
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Iâm not much in favor of communities. I get that they were trying to bridge other games and thatâs great, but it doesnât replace guilds within wow. Any community Iâve joined is just a smaller version of trade chat that has less trolling. The one that I did join who is legit a raid team, they use discord to chat more anyway or we chat within the raid instance cuz thatâs the only time we play together.
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Hello everyone,
Iâm checking in again to make sure my voice is heard. Everyone contributing to this discussion needs to keep doing so.
As of now, I still havenât assigned anyone in our guild with the âIs Officerâ check box since there are certain permissions I will not assign, regardless of rank. As a result, nobody in the guild has access to any of those eight privileges since theyâre all lumped together in a one-size-fits-all definition of âan officer,â as defined by someone on the Blizzard WoW team. Iâve been playing WoW since March of 2005, raiding since Molten Core of 2005, and leading our guild as guild master since TBC in 2007. I know our guild and how to effectively manage it, not some stranger at Blizzard who knows nothing about our community.
Please give us the individual permission customization we had prior to patch 8.0. Thatâs all Iâm asking for.
For further recommendations to help guild management, add a complete log/record system for the guild bank so the guild master can keep track of cumulative records on gold deposits, gold repairs, gold withdraws, item deposits, and item withdraws. If WoW developers can create and maintain a statistics tab with all kinds of totally useless information for my characterâs history, they can add a feature that lets me keep track of guild bank records. Iâm not asking for a permanent record, but maybe something that goes back one year or something. Perhaps something with sort features to look at what individuals did. That would actually help guilds and their leaders.
Regardless, please address this problem. This thread began on July 17, 2018. Weâre now at November 20, 2019. Itâs been one year and four months with no fix. Thatâs absolutely absurd.
Many other recommendations to help guilds have already been provided in this thread. This information can be gleaned. You have what you need, and the âdiscussionâ has already occurred. Read it, and pass the information along to the next group of people who need to make the corrections. Failure to do so will just further the stereotypes of poor communication (both within company departments and towards the community), and the apparent growing disregard for the gaming and guild community of WoW⌠which is sad.
I will continue to check in here until the change is made. Everyone else needs to do so, too.
Wretchedmist
GM of Obsidian Spur - Thrall realm
2004 Horde launch guild
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Looks like they instituted the new guild search function but still no change to fixing the permissions. Still waiting for those permission fixes, Blizz.
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They did indeed put the new guild finder into the game today.
I tested it out both as guildmaster and as someone âlookingâ. It seems to be better than the old guild finder, and it got rid of all those old guild recruitment messages from guilds who donât even exist anymore.
Now if only we could get the guild permissions fixed.
Edit: BTW âis officerâ gives people the ability to list the guild in guild finder and mess with your recruitment message. Yet another thing that needs to be separate!
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And I have just signed my newest recruit!
They were online when I sent the invite, so I didnât get to see how the offline invite thing works. Still, I was able to check out the finder, make a recruitment ad, and get a recruit. The finder says my ad is good for 30 days. I assume it will count down.
Fingers are crossed that weâll see more guild improvements soon!
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No one had a guild âon launchââŚnice work on getting it going in 2004. I donât see your guild clearing any raid content or even dungeons till 2011 in Classic? Please let me know if wow armory is brokenâŚThanks
I let my officers know months ago this was coming. I am the only person allowed to recruit anyways soâŚnot an issue.
Yup itâs an incremental positive. Lotsa things have been done incrementallyâŚjust ask Ghandi 
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I have already noticed that armory is all wrong regarding a bunch of my own achieves, so I wouldnât be surprised if itâs wrong on other peopleâs.
Edit: Some info on Wretched Mistâs guild:
It appears their guild was founded in 2004 and cleared the Eternal Palace on July 22nd, among other achieves.
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RightâŚbut if youâre claiming to be a âlaunch guildâ perhaps a Classic clear of something before 2010? Youâre making be a bad guy hereâŚyou all know what Iâm saying. The OP didnât respond cuz, he knows Iâm rightâŚagain we padding posts or trying to be a nice community of people discussing varying points of view here?
Everyone else can apparently be critical but when I question something someone has to come to defend a poster. No one is under attack. Itâs just factsâŚand if I canât have opinion, state facts, and point out inaccuraciesâŚwhat makes this different from an echo chamber? Like Iâve said before, if you only want one point of view here, say so and Iâm gone.
Wretchedmist didnât respond because all he does is come here every few weeks to post his opinion about the permissions changes and make a few suggestions for improving guild management. He doesnât hang around like some of us.
Sorry, but you werenât âpointing out inaccuraciesâ, you were criticizing for absolutely no reason. Itâs a fact that the armory doesnât list everything at all accurately. His guild was launched in 2004, and you chose to interpret that as saying something he never said.
Youâre fine with the permissions changes, we get that. How would breaking them up again harm your guild? Why do you keep coming here to say weâre stupid for wanting granular permissionsâsomething that even Ion says theyâre actually working on returning to us?
Since the new guild finder launched I have had six requests for membership in my guild. I would love to give my new members more controls when they earn promotions, but I canât do that when nearly all permissions are lumped under âis officerâ.
We are NOT a raiding guild. That doesnât make us in any way inferior to guilds that raid. Our purpose is completely different, and our permissions needs are different. I truly donât understand why you canât grasp that simple fact, and why you have to criticize others for not being like you.
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If this doesnât strongly hint at the degree to which our objections to the bundled permissions are being ignored, I donât know what would. Instead of separating permissions, they add another one to the bundle.
Generally, from a development perspective, these things are pretty simple. A checkbox is a simple boolean value in a database (yes/no, on/off) - doesnât take much space to store or much effort to code. The check is almost as simple: âif (value-we-are checking = yes) then allow-this-process to occurâ.
Maybe they can let one of us code it for them?
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So, since the day the new guild finder launched, Iâve gotten eight requests. Four have joined (three of those accepted offline). One joined a different guild. Three havenât responded.
I do like the new finder. I like that I can peruse the âapplicant historyâ so I can see that one accepted applicant chose a different guild and three havenât responded at all. I can also see the four that accepted membership.
Iâm becoming much less happy about the permissions. Iâm trying to give my newer members more abilitiesâespecially the two who generously donated both gold and useful items to the guild bank. Iâm juggling the few permissions that arenât under the âis officerâ label as well as the bank tab permissions. It would be more than nice if I had more choices of permissions to award them.
Please, Blizz, stop doing dumb stuff like removing the ability to purchase the Brutosaur mount in 9.0 and focus on fixing and improving things like guilds and guild permissions.
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