The new Guild UI and Permissions...yikes (Part 1)

Merídeath-stormrage · December 22, 2018, 3:19pm

/thread

Fumel-arathor · December 22, 2018, 9:29pm

So, continuing my read-through of this thread. From August 11, here is a nice, clear listing of guild issues that need to be addressed.

Greenstone:

Here is my list of guiid issues that need to be addressed:

01. Unbundle the “Is Officer” setting and allow guild masters to once again decide how to build their ranks.

02. Fix the LOOKING FOR GUILD utility so that it mimics the LINK ability in the Community UI.

Basically when a user asks for an invite to guild a guild recruiter / officer can send the user a LINK to get invited to the guild even if the user is OFFLINE.

03. Fix the bugs that are associated with the Community UI, especially if you do not modify it like I am requesting above.

For example: Seeing everyone who is OFFLINE in the CHATLOG window when you should show only those who are ONLINE maybe add a toggle for this.

04. Fix the GUILD CHAT LOGS so that as guild master you can set the privacy level of it. Give users a privacy level toggle as well.

Basically a guildmaster should be able to make the guild logs record all the time, be privately recording for officers only, or be in full view all the time.

Also you should allow players to set their privacy level as well - record or not - when chat logs are in full view setting. Something they can change on the fly.

Example: User doesn’t want to be recorded in guild chat: BOB: User has set privacy on his chat.

05. Fix the LOOT MASTER setting to allow FULL GUILD GROUPS to still use loot master if they so choose, however once the PUG limit on a group has been hit (I believe its 3-4) you can no longer use the option.

Again this is for guilds not pug groups, this will stop bad apples from ninjaing gear/mounts but will ensure that people still have a choice in a guild. Also make all mount drops BOP untradeable this will ensure that you no longer receive tickets about people stealing mounts.

06. Fix the AUTO-INVITE function its a detriment to smaller guild groups that it has been removed.

If you are doing a transmog run you basically can setup a minimum ilvl and auto-invite people for it, by removing auto-invite you basically are making it a more selective system and making it harder for players to find groups.

It might seem like a no-brainer but honestly when you are going through trash quickly in a run and just want to fill your ranks to have that “CLASSIC” big raid experience having to piece-meal invites is slow. Also it ruins the ability to invite while afk to the guild garrisons which many people still like to do for pet battles and what not.

07. The Community UI can be used to build communities cross server but basically its a new way to CREATE AND CONTROL CHANNELS, however it fails to read OLD CHANNELS that you have created and ADD them to the Community UI.

So if you have an old channel called “HEALERS” it will not create a community for that channel unless you actually make that with the new UI. This means older channels do not get merged into the new channel that you create. Please add a button to allow channels to be merged.

It should be noted that August 11 was when the hotfix allowing guild chat silences and letting players set their own personal notes was applied. Since then, no action of any kind has been taken to address the guild management problems mentioned in this thread. There has been no comment from Blizzard in this thread since August 6. Though questions regarding the guild management issues have been submitted to the Q&A’s since the patch that started this mess went live, none have been answered.

TL:DR:
Permissions are still all lumped together. We’re still giving our feedback, but are getting none in return.

Nêlsôn-greymane · December 23, 2018, 2:00am

Blizzard hoping we just give up.

Tixi-moon-guard · December 23, 2018, 4:18pm

Why has this still been ignored?

Quercus-ghostlands · December 23, 2018, 7:34pm

[quote=“Mceuan-dawnbringer, post:2429, topic:18758”]
Also had a couple of folks tell me today that they can’t RSVP as Tentative to guild events now. So there’s that, too.
[/quote] Yup, this is still happening, which is annoying.

On the bright side, the fact that this is kind of a new behavior means they are still tinkering, but they’re just not verbose about it.

I also noticed (a few days ago) I could not see specific times under guild status (e.g., offline for n hours). It just showed folks as binary on- or offline. Now, specific times are back. So, unless that was just some random bug with an addon, there’s further proof that they are still tinkering.

Keep giving feedback!

Anareiel-moon-guard · December 23, 2018, 9:28pm

Because they can.

Venjin-bronzebeard · December 23, 2018, 10:18pm

Question: How long has that “bulletin” button been there next to the Voice Chat button in the UI?

Delirium-bronzebeard · December 24, 2018, 7:46pm

Bumpy bump bump…still need an answer Blizz, not going away!

Nêlsôn-greymane · December 24, 2018, 8:06pm

^ 10 chars

Druunah-ravencrest · December 25, 2018, 1:11am

A Safe and Merry Christmas to everyone!

The disgruntled Guild Leaders

(The one not so disgruntled Guild Leader)

Unhappy Wow players,

The (seemingly) rare happy Wow players,

Concerned guildies,

Etc…

And even to you Blizzard! You big old fun loathing Burgermeister Meisterburger you.

(By the way, guild permissions are still broken!)

anon70593351 · December 25, 2018, 2:21am

More than permissions are broken. Forced persistent chat is a problem, as well as player’s characters being able to appear offline in the roster while actually being online. Appear offline was supposed to effect battlenet only.

Why did Blizzard have to go and “fix” what wasn’t broken? Just changes for the sake of changes.

Dlaciabia-sisters-of-elune · December 25, 2018, 10:43am

Grabbing a midnight snack a la leftovers before I crash. Yes, I eat midnight snacks at 4:42 AM big whoop wantafightaboutit?

Sleepwhappitybump. Say anythiiiiing.

Branndon-proudmoore · December 25, 2018, 11:06am

What is wrong with persistent chat? I like being able to see what I missed while offline.

Venjin-bronzebeard · December 25, 2018, 4:38pm

Merry Christmas to everybody who celebrates!

Pssst…Hey Bliz, you know what you could give as a great Christmas present?

It has to do with the original subject of this thread…

Venjin-bronzebeard · December 25, 2018, 4:54pm

Oh, and Bliz: Ignore that other stupid thread.

Removing guilds would be akin to moving to Venezuela with the intention of selling chopsticks on the street for $1,000.00 each, plus taxes, with no refunds, while keeping $500,000.00 in a tin can right beside you.

Velara-gilneas · December 25, 2018, 6:33pm

At this point, given the many unnecessary changes made by this dev team since WoD onward, I’ve concluded they’re just out to destroy the legacy of their betters. Most of their system changes (loot, Guild UI, camera, etc) are nonsensical.

Schwa-illidan · December 25, 2018, 7:28pm

Almost like they are changing the game so it can be played on a small touch screen hmm…

you guys have phones?

Delirium-bronzebeard · December 26, 2018, 12:01am

Happy Winter Veil…bump.

anon70593351 · December 26, 2018, 6:54pm

There’s nothing inherently wrong with the concept. It’s mainly how it’s implemented. 1) because it’s forced and not optional. Why can’t we have multiple chat channels in guild with the ability to set whether it’s persistent or not?

Persistent chat for the people that are currently in the guild is one thing. But any and all future members can also scroll back through and read what was said before they were even in the guild?!

Same deal with officer chat. I guarantee you absolutely nothing remotely sensative gets discussed there anymore.

It fundamentally changes the feel of the chat from a chat room to a potentially public forum.

I never would have met the friends I have now were it for persistent chat because I never would have had anything remotely resembling personal conversations with the current system.

They also made it to where people can appear offline and lurk in guild chat, which I find creepy as hell. When I type in a chat room I like to know who I’m talking to.

The fact that this issue has been put on the back burner for 6 months is so frustrating.

I’m not being hyperbolic when I say these changes have ruined the game for me. I’ve played this game for more than a decade, spent thousands of dollars and even when I was upset with the state of the game it still felt like home, mainly because of guilds.

Now that’s gone.

And now I will be too until this gets fixed.

Fumel-arathor · December 26, 2018, 9:36pm

This makes me sad. I don’t understand why the folks at Blizzard can’t see that the guild changes are literally the last straw for many, many folks.

Making an advanced tab so GM’s could divide them up if they so wished doesn’t seem like too much to ask.