For what its worth, the both made that decision and (at least for now) reverted it yesterday.
If only they did the same with the guild controls
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The problem is that they canât just revert the guild changes because they took the old guild system and pushed it into their discord-chat-clone.
Copying my original first comment from the original mega-thread:
The fact is that blizzard wants in on the Voice/Text chat bandwagon that players already have using Discord (and Slack/others to a lesser degree). Blizzard invested resources to this end and the result is piss-poor and will only serve to drive players further way from their new âSocialâ option. Why use a tool that gives you just three options of control when, with a third party solution, you can have super fine granular admin control, plus links, images, friends from other games and guilds can join and youâre not limited by game studio⊠Not to mention with overlays you can have your third party solution appear integrated into your gaming experience.
Blizz did the exact same thing with their first go at in-game voice and it failed as it too was piss-poor plus players were already happy with Vent/TeamSpeek/etc.
Why couldnât Blizzard have spent the resources they used on the social stuff on something players have been requesting for over a decade: player/guild housing? The short answer is because whatever politics were going on over at Blizzard meant that someone wanted to stroke their ego and dabble in VoIP and thus move players off the hacked IRC-based setup that has been in use for well over a decadeâor they had a friend they had hired that wanted to dabble. The end result: a craptastic implementation of something players donât need which crippled the one existing tool that actually was used by long standing communities within the game.
Also for users wanting better visibility into join/leave activity as well as a few other bells and whistles, I use Guild Roster Manager. Itâs not as good as the now defunct Guild Warden, but itâs not terrible. If only I could find someone willing to resurrect Guild WardenâŠ
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Ahh, I absolutely missed the reversion and thatâs on me for the knee jerk reaction. Still boggles the mind to think that they even tried to do it.
See, Blizz, I owned up to my error.
You?
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They âown upâ all the time.
Doing something about it, is the main issue.
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Well, yeah, they do âown upâ to their mistakes quite often. However, in this case they wonât even tell us if they think itâs a mistake or not. I mean, we think it is, but theyâve only said theyâre âawareâ of our dislike for this change. Theyâve never said whether the change to the permissions is intentional or if itâs how they want to keep things going forward.
Yes, the very vast majority of posts in my read-through have been asking for the permissions changes to either be reverted or for separate permissions to be put in an âadvancedâ tab. But the second highest percentage seems to be people just asking for some communication and clarification on if Blizz even intends to work on a fix.
So far in regards to this issue, theyâve âowned upâ to nothing.
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You should be able to search by guild name with a search bar in the guild finder tool. This way if your friend says come play WoW with me Iâm on this server and this is the guild submit an app then they submit it and can get the invite as soon as theyre next on the character.
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The fact that the game doesnât have a guild search outside of /who 14 years later is kinda sad.
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I like this idea.
Although I am a Guild Leader, I also play a LOT of alts. Not all of my alts are in my primary guild.
Since the guild finder tool was first implemented, I have always wished I could search like this:
Guilds by name. (Sometimes a cool name is all I really want over my altâs head)
Guild by how active they are. (Sometimes I want a really active guild, sometimes I want a small âcozy up with a few good friendsâ guild)
Be able to filter out guild who have not in some way either updated their guild recruitment message, or done âsomethingâ to make it clear they are not dead or inactive. (I further think that guild recruitment messages should be removed from the guild finder tool after a certain amount of time. The tool is often a wasteland of ancient guild recruitment messages. I read some not long ago that mentioned âguild levelsâ of all things)
Be able to both approve (as a guild leader) and be approved (as one of my many alts) to join a guild while being offline.
Example: We often get several guild applicants whom I never manage to catch online. (I am our one and only recruitment officer, since it seems asking guildies to recruit is tantamount to asking them to scrub old bathroom floors with their tongues) Those applicants often play play at different times then I myself do, and they are often lost to other guilds. If we / I could send an approval to join the guild while those applicants are offline, this could be helpful.
On that same note. When I am on an alt and I am looking for one of the small âcozy up with a few good friendsâ guilds, it often takes a lot of time, patience, swapping mail back and forth, etcâŠbefore one of my toons can be officially invited into said guild.
If an applicant could simply log on and see their approval to join Guild A or even a choice of join Guild A, Guild D, as well as Guild F, and then be given the option to hit a âjoin guild buttonâ for the guild they choose, so much the better.
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This thread was created 156 days ago and still not a peep from Blizzard. Remember this silence when you guys praise them when they come back in here with something like âHey guys, we still hear you. Thanks for the feedback! Weâll let you know when we know something!â.
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Did everyone unsub already? Jus wonderinâŠlol
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What are you going on about? OhâŠwait. This is one of your super-secret ways of bumping the thread, isnât it?
Carry on.
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^Before Blizz screwed up the permissions, I would have ranked this as the number one guild issue needing to be fixed. Iâve sometimes been hoping that maybe the reason itâs taking them so long to do something about the permissions is that theyâre also working on some of the other ideas weâve brought up, like this one. Wouldnât it be grand to log in to find the permissions fixed AND be able to invite characters who are offline?
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Shout out to the people holding the line!
Hey, Blizz, just wondering if youâve got any news?
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Any news? Can you give us a shimmer of hope or are we echoing down a chamber? ![:confused:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/confused.png?v=6" ":confused:")
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Iâll throw my two cents in here as well. Blizzard, please make my job of being a guild master easier. Reducing my rank choices to three without specific functional permissions isnât making it easier, itâs making it much harder.
Thank you.
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I beleve itâs about time I put my two cents in.
Our guild has been able to cope with the changes ONLY because we are on very low pop realm.
I can not express enough how much we dislike the changes to the guild controls.
As the guild leader, I make it a goal to adapt to any changes but this is just pushing it. When we founded our guild back in 2013 we decided to have a two guild leader system with the first rank mimicking everything I can do.
Our officers would be next but would not have as much control.
Now with these changes our 2nd guild leader rank and officer rank are basicly the same other than guild bank permissions and not being able to remove members.
We have a member base of over 400 accounts and we are having to be EXTREMELY selective on who we choose as officers just to avoid security breaches that would have been avoidable with the old system.
With that being said, it makes selecting additional officers difficult and puts more strain on the current limited leadership team. We currently have 3 active officers, which is not enough with the time frames we try to cover.
Blizzard you need to bring back the old rank permissions or a new system to customize what is listed under the âIs Officerâ checkbox. Your new system has basic security issues anyone with basic security knowledge would see and causes more trouble than anything.
On a different note something I beleve would be a great addition to guilds would be to give us more guild perks and let guilds choose 5 out of the selection. This will allow guilds to have some choice and customization on a system that has not been looked at since Cata.
There are other great suggestions on this thread as well, so I wonât repeat them.
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Awesome post, Daleon. I only quoted your opening line since youâre right above me, but everything you wrote describes the issue perfectly. And I really like your idea about the guild perks:
Customizable perks based on guild needs/culture is a marvelous concept. Social/leveling guilds have different needs from mythic raiding guilds, which have different needs from PvP guilds, which have different needs from family and friend guilds, etc., etc. Adding more perksâand letting the guild chooseâwould really help define the differences and aid players in choosing a guild that best fits their own needs and goals.
I think maybe have a couple of perks be baseline (hasty hearth is one everyone will want) and then add the customizable ones on top. Maybe even have a sixth perk slot that can be opened through a concerted group effort as an incentive and goal for guilds to work toward.
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maybe just maybe blizzard made such a mess of guild control/rank/permissions to distract us all from the fact that 14 years in we still have no guild housing.
Or maybe theyâre just all the things the reddit letter points out they are.
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So like⊠WTF is the deal?
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Iâm not going to stop bumping this thread until I stop playing the game blizzard. Social interactions are the crux of this game; to not do EVERYTHING in your power to help it is a failing on your end.
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