It means that until evidence proves it doesn’t. Right now, we’re at “always becomes a roast duck no matter what we do to it” (Order, Disorder, or Death that we’ve seen). Plus, Sargeras feared a Void Titan. That implies Titans are malleable re: what environment they are nurtured in. It does not imply that Worldsouls aren’t unbirthed Titans.
The Pantheon subverting the natural order in service of Aman’Thul’s One True Timeline seems infinitely more feasible to me than observable facts being a lie.
Except we do have evidence. That was the whole point of most of the discussion here.
For a pretty straight forward example, ‘This is not Titan magic’ was not exactly subtle.
The whole Archives chain is laying it on pretty strongly that Azeroth is not a Titan, even though she is a world soul.
Blizzard has not been subtle about this.
I understood that to mean the Aspectral blessing was not of the Pantheon Titans—that Azeroth’s blessing is distinct in some way. Even the Titans refer to her as a Prime Worldsoul, though. Azeroth being special is not new info, basically.
Look, I get trying to separate out Pantheon as a distinct and separate group of Titans while retaining the word “titan” for all World Souls. And that would even be a viable direction Blizzard could have take. But, that is not the direction they are taking.
Remember, Blizzard wrote that line. It wasn’t just something a person said, it was specifically written that way. If they were taking the Pantheon route you would expect them to say it wasn’t ‘Pantheon’s magic.’ They didn’t. They wrote “Titan.” And it wasn’t some idle banter, side quest, etc. It was a raid cinematic. The only logical conclusion was they were telling us Azeroth was not a Titan, and not subtly.
Yeah, sure. But my point was to prove that Titans / world souls are arcane beings.
Wasn’t that called into question?
I only accept primary sources.
Is this a demand?
Azeroth might not be, which makes depicting her as a Worldsoul like the others seemingly dumb.
DF was a cut short expansion under the direction of a guy who exited the company after sloppily rewriting the entire Warcraftverse. Even if I accepted a cinematic utterance as the gospel (which I don’t—see: BFA and Shadowlands cinematics) or that Titan can only mean all Titans ever (which I don’t) there is no mandate forcing Metzen to honor the wet fart that manifested during his absence.
All you are doing here is saying you don’t like the author so you are ignoring it. In is canon up until Blizzard says it is not. To pretend otherwise is dumb.
Nothing to say he wont stick to the lore. I would guess he will, while adding his own spin. And, in fact, the Archives quests seem to be doubling down in it. Which supports believing that he is not going to retcon it.
You are free to dislike it. You are free to hope it changes. But, until (and IF) a retcon happens it is canon.
If Blizzard says Azeroth blessing is not Titan magic, specifically saying Titan, they are telling us Azeroth is not a Titan.
It doesn’t matter how you want to define a Titan, broadly or narrowly, Blizzard is saying Azeroth is not a Titan. And since they are still saying she is a world soul, that means Blizzard is saying not all world souls are or will be titans.
Is that because it’s easier to dismiss the ideas that contradict yours? Sounds about right to be honest.
honestly no, my thoughts on all of this are ‘the writers are no longer beholden to their old worldbuilding so all of this is entirely speculation and the new stuff we’re gonna get isn’t gonna fit into old lore at all, and it’s also gonna be worse than the old lore.’ i just genuinely really love that you come prepared with citations to your conversations, i think it’s excellent courtesy at the very least
Nope. I’m saying this company has a track record of changing Creative Directors and immediately overwriting previous lore at the merest inconvenience. “Blizzard” has not said Worldsouls =/= Titans is canon. You are pointing at your interpretation of one anecdote that supports a possibility and arbitrarily claiming it is incontrovertible. It is possible you are correct, but not even within striking distance of approaching the ballpark of settled.
Although, to be fair, I suppose disregarding all evidence to the contrary in favor of some half baked new direction that undermines player buy-in is about as “on brand” for this game as anything.
if you’re not careful, you will find yourself in ten posts responding to twenty repetitive paragraphs’ of stuff having almost nothing to do with the subject.
Hey, we haven’t even devolved into a High Elf or Israel/Palestine thread yet. The future is bright!
i mean tbh that was more a comment on your conversation partner than anything else. but don’t speak those things into being! here, articulation and actualization are one and the same!
Might be me. But with all the new lore surrounding azeroth. NONE of it say she isn’t a titan. It does inform us of a few things
She’s pretty special compared to other world souls. Special enough the titan keepers spent an enormous amount of time safe guarding her until she’s born.
She’s also pretty powerful, insanely so. Even the keepers are suprised by it.
She has been resisting the titan keepers tampering with her for a long time now. The Thraegar being her orignal attempt to fend off the titans and their keepers meddling
I’m all for it, argus just being a dude and not looking like a giant draenei will forever be the worst decision
yeah what the heck was up with that
“She is not the last, but the first.”
“The fall of night reveals her true face.”
“She will bring only ruin.”
“When the arrow finds its mark, the last fetter will fall away.”
^ some things worth considering that seem like they’re going to be super relevant soon. The look of horror and gnashing of teeth when Azeroth turns into a baddie and the Titans are heroes we have to help kill her.
This is why Blizzard gets flack for not having subtle story telling. Even blatantly obvious story telling is to subtle for some people. They have to paint obvious road signs and even then some people wont get it unless they literally spell it out.
Them literally saying Azeroth magic is not titan magic is less interpretation than ANY ‘evidence’ that all world souls are titans.
*flak
*too
*won’t
And who is “them”? It isn’t Blizzard. Aspects reacting to a power unlike the Pantheon’s is not some slamdunk to put to bed the fact that Argus was a Worldsoul infused with Fel and Death that was still a Titan. It doesn’t explain why Magni, the Speaker of Azeroth, can hear Argus and Eonar.
There is a pretty good chance Azeroth is the reincarnated Earth Mother. Hence her connection to Elune.