You won’t need full 213 gear to run content that drops 205 gear. That’s an absurd notion.
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And yet, most people will. A +15 drops 210 gear.
Based on historical evidence, there will be a very very slim percentage of people who can time a 15 with less than full heroic gear. My bet would be most of the people complaining about gearing too fast from m+ won’t see above a +10 until 3 or 4 months into a tier.
Why do we continue to forget that M+ only drops one piece for 5 people now…
So you have historical evidence of how m+ will be tuned in an expansion that hasn’t been released yet? M+ will drop lower gear, so it will have to be tuned lower.
By your logic, a key requiring higher gear than it drops would mean no one without raid gear will ever complete a +2 because they will only have mythic 0 gear.
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Nobody’s stopping you from playing the game the way you want.
If all you wanna do is M+, you’ll progress that way. You literally get a piece of mythic raid equivalent gear a week for clearing the “hard” difficulty of the dungeon. Not the hardest difficulty, just a hard one.
If I just wanted to raid, I could just raid. I could progress through raid gear alone. If I wanted to just PVP, I could just PVP and progress through that gear alone.
If you want to min/max and push the hardest content in this game, regardless of what you feel it is, then yeah, you’re going to be running content you don’t necessarily want to. That’s the case for high end raiders, high end M+, high end PVP, it’s the name of the game.
No one system is the best overall system for hardcore progression, so long as gear is a factor.
If you don’t enjoy min/maxing, don’t min/max. You can still run M+ with your friends, you can still heroic raid, you can still do PVP… This is literally a you problem.
And face it, unless you’re really pushing the hardest content in the game, you do not need to play the way those players are.
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because 1 piece per 5 people is the average drop rate across the board, m+ isn’t the exception to that rule anymore, except that m+ still gets the bonus piece for timing it, which no other content gets.
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Agreed. I’m sure I’m going to have some pretty long stretches between anything useful. Especially if the weekly can still repeat slots or identical items from week to week.
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Congratulations. This is one of the stupidest things I’ve read on this topic. You should get a prize
Or I play alts much more than when I have to raid on every character to have decent gear.
Lmao. 10 year old argumentation level.
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It forces everyone else to do M+ if it works the way you want it though like it did in BFA. Gearing is slower for everyone now not just M+ players. M+ will still be the best way to get geared in a shorter number of days but maybe not /time played unless we are only talking about the chest.
Some people don’t have the IQ to have an intellectual conversation and present facts or evidence for their side of an argument. /shrug
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Counterpoint this is an mmo where I can wear a yeti onesie immersion is pretty much gone just let me play all my characters and have fun thanks.
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Fact: if I want to push the level of key I am doing now, the only way to do that in systemlands is to gear through mythic raid.
Fact: you can not rely on a weekly chest for gearing progression. I can count on one hand how many pieces of gear from my weekly chest I’ve actually used this entire expansion. Currently, I’m using zero. Even if it’s “twice as fast as it is now!!!” 2x0 is still 0.
I do not want to raid. Raiding is terrible content with arbitrary limitations that make no sense. But I am being forced to.
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If you don’t want to raid, why do you need raid gear?
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Extra characters to allow this to actually post, lol…
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Completing a 15 will give 226 at the end of the week, it will not be tuned lower 
I didn’t say “a key” I said a 15. A +2 you can ignore mechanics because they tickle. A +15 you cannot. Just stop it
Does the current level of key you’re doing now even matter in this conversation? No one is forcing anyone to do anything. I think what’s happening here is you’re limiting yourself with your meta following state of mind. I understand that players want to maximize their power and progress. That makes sense to me because I’m one of those players. But if it requires me to do something I think is boring, guess what - I’m skipping it. Good example is island grinding in BFA - not an ice cube’s chance in heck I’m spending literally every hour of every day grinding islands just so I can have a 1% advantage.
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What does this even mean? Are you saying the content I want to do doesn’t matter because I do not want to raid? This is exactly what is wrong with the gearing change. I want to push 20++ keys. I don’t want to raid mythic.
With this change you absolutely are forced to raid mythic to push keys. You CANNOT rely on a weekly rng box as a form of progression.
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What’s wrong with that though? It’s more popular than the raiding and pvp combined.
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