The M+ system is deeply flawed right now ( in depth )

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So here we are , im gonna attempt to explain why the mythic plus system is flawed right now.

so in order to progress you need to start doing 9+ to get gilded crests. all good till here.
Then in order to max out vault you need to do 10+ . here starts the first big issue , the increase in difficulty is massive, so people are less inclined to invite you . not only they are looking for people that have timed a 10+ but also overgear the content. Keep in mind that people who have gear are the ones that alraedy did 9 and 10 and above. so you cant really access that difficulty because of the problem that is about to be explained.

m+ pushing for the vast majority of people ends realistically at 11+ . So you have only 2 keylevels worth of pushing till you hit your big seasonal wall which is 12+ and above.

basically the whole mythic plus experience starts around 9 + where you need the currency and ilvl drops + vault and ends 2 key levels above that which is 11+ .

i think for player retention, keeping people interested and plain enjoying the game this is a very very problematic thing. My season ended effectively after i timed all 11+ just because the 12+ is such a steep difficulty increase that pugs will NOT take you unless you are some superfotm class or geared to the teeth.

Why do we get only 2 key levels worth of endgame content till we cannot progress anymore?

not only that but also at this moment there is a HUGE pool of players stuck inbetween 9 and 11 . and this will only get bigger. no wonder why you will never get accepted in LFG . with you there are a ton of people wanting to get in just because the ones that should have moved on to another key level ( like 12 and 13 and so goes on ) cant because of how insanely hard it is to 1) get into a 12+ 2) time it

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It’s just the 3rd week… 2 Vault loots. We need more Vault loots.

Looks like working as intended. Do we need to have gilded crests on first weeks of the Season? If we cant do it, M+ is flawed?

Or M+ right now is right and all previous M+ is wrong?

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This is going to be the big real problem at the moment. Many players have hit a wall already because Gilded Crests are in +9. The average player will just move on.

There is no steady progression curve.

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no amount of vaults will get you invited to a +9 ,+10 or +11 let alone +12.

beecause like you everyone wants to get there . your vault will be capped at heroic gear untill you do 10+ . but everyone else will also be capped there because they cant access +10 due to the reasons i mentioned.

this will compress so many MANY many many people into that level without a way to get past and also if they manage to get past, the next brickwall comes in so soon that getting past the +10 wall is a nothing burger. just 1 key level and then again done

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I hope Blizz answers this by: Git gud. You have to earn it.

If M+ becomes harder than Raid, why not go with Heroic Raid instead for easier Gilded Crests? Then come back to +10 and pwn it. Becoz your fingers wont work when on Raid?

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its not a git gud angle. so many peeople are good but are hardstuck there because maybe they ddnt no life to get past 9,10,11 .

personally im full 11+ timed, and 627 ilvl. i still cant geet invited to a simple 12+

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It’s just the 3rd week… Try the 4th week… if still not, about 5th week. Or maybe, while you cant get invited to +12, do Heroic Raid.

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So you’re conpletely in favor of artificial timegating? When Blizzard is offering a game and service, you don’t think people will just go to other games and services that are more respectful of their time?

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Think we might be at the trust but verify point.

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Isn’t it runed crests from heroic and gilded from mythic?

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No, I dont want M+ to be a joke like how we made Normal and Heroic Dungeons a joke on first 2 weeks of TWW. I want M+ to be interesting… not a joke.

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If you’re past the +9s and +10s on your main and all of your alts and future alts, how does this issue even effect you? You’re worried people with slightly easier access to loot will suddenly be able to catch up to you with all these advantages you’ve built up over these first three weeks? Or are you worried the middle tier of players will clog your LFG sign ups? I’m genuinely curious.

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Is Mythic Raiding equivalent to M+10? And M+ players want Mythic Raid quality gear just by doing a +7 or +8? I can see the entitlement. ROFL.

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This lot my guilds stuck on 8s/9s. i am as well.

its not a skill issue either its an issue with the damage being so high that unless you are doing the god comp you wont time or complete half the dungeons.

Healers being one that he aoe dmg in some is so high and fact that crap overlaps you cant do it without rsham.

Wakes big example 2nd boss. this dude if you do not have a god tier CC class like boom or WW monk. the mages chunk you for almost 3mil+ in a 8. try it in a 10 and goes up to 4.2mil .

3rd boss god where do we start the aoe on this fight is insane at at 7 or higher. if a 2nd adds up GG its over if that 1st add is not dead in next 5 seconds? oh ya did i mention the npc now hooks its self if you have a monk or pet class?

last boss well the bubble overlaps with the affix and bricks the boss if the player sent to kill isnt pushing 1mil ST.

Vaults another one 8+ on last boss is insane as in 1st two. Trash dealing 4mil AOE? ya okay followed by a knockback then into another AOE.

city of thread? last boss still has an aoe overlap again due to latest change if your unlucky.

Siege? last boss slaps that dot in an 11 does 90% your health and you got split second to clear it and oh what that? the aoe stomp? ya 80% your health you only get few seconds to top everyone up as it stands only 2 classes have aoe to deal with this boss.

our group did a non timed 11 and this dot was only reason we didnt time it as it was constantly hitting me as a healer and the dps so it is insane.

in general keys need mahor 30% to 50% dmg nerf or a flat 10-20% and reverting the CC change.

they also need to move the +9 crest back down to atleast a 6 or +7

they also need to revert the 3rd affix and maybe move it to higher keys like +15 where the more hardcore community will be.

as it stands +15 sec in 7+ is way to punishable with HP/Dmg numbers as well as CC changes. its insane.

like im seriously at the point im ready to just quit the game as are friends… as we are either stuck making a god comp to prog to 9 and up or just not gear more till we start mythic in a week or two…

i was doing around over 1.1m to 1.5mil hps and this as caster hpally. but since we lack any real aoe like other healers its just like running into a wall.

Also i have no issues 2healing 1st 2 bosses in heroic nerub and if im doing 2mil+ there you can not say its a skill issue at this point.

overall atm if you want to time keys you need a monk or boomy for any aoe cc. helps having a Tank as well like DK/DH.

Also people are now timing keys by not bringing healers just 4 dps 1 tank. meaning the damage is to high and punishable that its now better to 4 dps just to dump on packs before they can deal damage…crazy as hell as a group did a 13+ with no healer didnt time they were like 3 min shy but this right here proves how busted mythic+ is atm

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if their intention was to drive people away in masses, then they succeeded and it is indeed working as intended. warcraftlogs keys run verify this by the drastic decrease in keys that have been done compared to seasons pass. these are barely end of season numbers and it is a brand new season.

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There worried that more keys will be ran and they cant be only ones above 2k Raider io is 100% prove look at all keys majority them are one group and there alts/friends

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its not about entitleent mate.

im talking about HUGE like IMPASSABLE brickwalls that are currently in place in keys.

its not about whetheer you need to wait for valts or be timegated or whatever.
If you are not fotm class and geared to the teeth,streamer and WF player , literally forget about going into any key pushing. its an elitistic enclosed bracked past 12+ that you wont access anytime soon and possibly ever. blizz has made thee whole system in TWW so inaccessible for eeeveryone that promotes just that. elitism .
and its not entitlement. i am more than capable of doing 12+ and i have probably 0.1 % gear and ra io.

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The average player was not getting aspect’s crests in DF under the old scaling system.

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They’d rather have a dying player-base that they’re at the top of then a healthy game where other players can get anywhere near them. It’s odd to attribute so much of your self-worth to this rating that gets reset every season anyway.

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Earning is good, but the difference between 9 and 10 is like 9 to 15…
If you have a team of godly people, why do you even care about others?
Everyone can have have/upgrade gear, at the end of the day your parses, and m+ 15s will show that you are goshdarn good player.

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