The M+ nerf is good and raiding should always offer the best gear

I do the toughest content, pet battles. It is the toughest content according to you.

Ya we just do totally different difficulty content. I got a 21 KR from my chest. Ill take you on that key run and you can take me in normal/lfr raids and pet battle dungeons and we can figure out what ilvl gear should come out of each one

Didn’t I say I have only been back for like a month since leaving at the beginning of Legion? Or are you really that dumb?

Oh I forgot, I play pet battles, the toughest content!

Take me too! Be amazed as I ignore one-shot mechanics and disengage off ledges.

You act like legion didn’t have mythic + dungeons lol. If 21 keys are like heroic content you do all the time and mythic content you should be able to get through it easy

At the beginning, like with the first week. I hate RL stuff to deal with and just never came back.

Ya that makes more sense doing +15’s with mythic0 ilvl. Is way easier then doing heroic raids

Really hope you’re just trolling and not a complete muppet…

Good the nerf is needed,I was tired of seeing Mythic 15 people 3 shotting people in pvp

As opposed to fully geared mythic raiders.

PvP has problems of its own, don’t go blaming PvE content for that. Blizzard’s apathy towards PvP in general is the problem with PvP.

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Mythic raiding is 1000 times harder than Mythic 15, you want some of the best gear for pve do raiding. Which ironically Mythic 15 gear was also amazing for pvp /vomit

They should give you mythic level gear for going to the Shadow lands barber shop and changing your gender. That means you are stunning and brave. That is way harder then doing mythic+.

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I never equated a +15 to Mythic raiding.

It’s like you didn’t read a word I said. I agree that PvE gear being BiS in PvP is terrible overall. PvP needs its own progression track, and hopefully the Conquest + PvP Great Vault system helps with that.

Alright, so here’s your little proof bub.

I read it and it was stupid, you have no idea how easy it is to get Mythic 15 gear compared to Mythic raiding. Hell you can even buy Mythic 15’s for like 80k gold, that’s the difference (on so many lvls) between a raider and a Mythic dungeon player.

Mythic+ geared people are a dime a dozen in pvp compared to Mythic raiders in pvp, which is something you failed to understand.

I don’t even care if a Mythic raider comes into a bg or arena and stomps pugs cause you know why, they did hard content. You know how long people had to deal with the Mythic 15 Bike trinket + flame essence burst in pvp?, yea that’s still annoying AF.

This is pretty much a BFA pvper

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They should have parity, at least. Either allow the item level to scale to +20 and 226 OR cap all raid drops at 210, and give 226 from the weekly choice.

So a few things… as it stands, mythic raid already does reward the best gear in the game. Every item is the same quality as the 1 item per week you get from m+ box, so each week in mythic raid you have the theoretical chance to get 12 weeks worth of m+ chest items, and the raid typically has the best trinkets at least.
It doesn’t make sense that end of dungeon m+ loot was nerfed below heroic. Heroic raid is really, really easy. So are 15s this patch. In shadowlands, they should at least reward the same ilvl loot.
All this change means is that your gearing process is super throttled. If you don’t get what you want from the raid, may as well log out until next week for boxes/fresh lockout. Right now, m+ 14/15 gear provides good filler pieces for slots while you wait on upgrades from your chest. I actually don’t really like the chest system because again it’s just time gating. Who this really hurts is players like myself. I play in small bursts, an 1-2 hours a day during the weekdays but usually broken into 2 one hour blocks. I just don’t have the lifestyle to sit down and mythic raid for 3 hours a night 3 nights a week. Now I’m just stuck waiting on chests to get decent ilvl.

A lot of BiS will still come from mythic+ because the raid loot table has a very low spread of secondary stat changes.

For example as a shaman in beta the raid has exactly 1 secondary stat combo for head, shoulder, chest, wrist, and boots.

While mythic+ has 3-4 for all of those slots.

Rings? The raid has 3 of the 6 combos. Mythic+ has all 6 and four of the combos have duplicates so you can stack them.

BiS lists when they come out after release are going to be a fair mix of mythic+ and raid gear.

Number getting bigger isn’t the same thing as adding new mechanics