It was the best part of the whole scenario for me. Marileth is a treasure.
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how much you wanna bet blizz is using this as an excuse the shut-up people who want undead druids and paladins?
personally, i don’t like that they can make dark-ranger pallies and druids, but… y’know, it’s just another skin. so… i dunno.
I agree,there has to be justification for it lore wise or it doesn’t fit from the history of wow. Yet, we seen already that the lore has changed ,do we destroy the lore to bring in a new meaning or reset another lore? All things the are created have to be destroyed in order to bring about a new meaning. I rather have a logical route then some hogpog made up meaning.
I cant make heads or tails of it myself.
The light did not leave the forsaken so, i can understand undead paladins. There is one in nakks that i cant remember the name of. But druid? I cant make sense of it outside of the nightmare.
I really wish people would stop acting like this guy is Elune’s gift to warcraft. If there’s anyone whose ever been able to flip a coin in terms of their feelings over WoW, it’s him.
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Now show me an actual Forsaken (Not one that is part of the scourage, but one with actual free will) paladin who was willingly using the light.
Well, you might be able to go with
Some lore background for this character:
Alonsus Faol was the Archbishop of the Church of the Holy Light during the Second War. He organized the creation of paladins - knights who wielded the Light - to defend the Alliance of Lordaeron. His apprentice Uther became the first paladin and together they founded the Knights of the Silver Hand paladin order. Faol died at some point, and became an undead. During the third invasion of the Burning Legion, he joined the Conclave and helped in the fight against the demons, eventually attaining the title of Archbishop once more.[2]
As an undead (who had founded the Knights of the Silver Hand in life), he does use the Light, during Legion.
The fact that he was under scourge control and still able to use the light seems like it would make the case for undead paladins even stronger.
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That says he’s a priest, not a paladin.
Oh, and also from long ago dev posts:
"Can you please explain how “light” works? The lore states that undead are physically incapable of using the light, much like the Broken, but then we have Forsaken players casting healing spells, and Sir Zeliek in Naxxramas using pseudo-paladin abilities.
Without spoiling too much, we can tell you that wielding the Light is a matter of having willpower or faith in one’s own ability to do it. That’s why there are evil paladins (for example, the Scarlet Crusade and Arthas before he took up Frostmourne). For the undead (and Forsaken), this requires such a great deal of willpower that it is exceedingly rare, especially since it is self-destructive. When undead channel the Light, it feels (to them) as if their entire bodies are being consumed in righteous fire. Forsaken healed by the Light (whether the healer is Forsaken or not) are effectively cauterized by the effect: sure, the wound is healed, but the healing effect is cripplingly painful. Thus, Forsaken priests are beings of unwavering willpower; Forsaken (and death knight) tanks suffer nobly when they have priest and paladin healers in the group; and Sir Zeliek REALLY hates himself."
But all of that goes back to what Afra-who-shall-not-be-named and Ion had said waayyy back when. /shrug
I think the fact that the Light doesn’t outright reject their calls is a good enough answer. Forsaken aren’t like the Broken where the Light flatout rejects their existence for some reason.
Founder of the Paladins, aye?
You already have Sir Zeliak, as well as the Scarlet Crusade “evil” Paladins.
But, idk you’re tryna head up this tree with me, and start a cat fight. I’m just nomming lunch and looking stuff up.
He didn’t do so willingly, it would make stronger case for him being an exception.
Oh, and also consider, it does not matter if Alonsus is a Paladin, because Paladins use the Light, just as Priests do. If Alonsus, as a priest base who is Undead, can use the Light, then guess what, that works out and makes sense.
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Same guy who swore up and down we could never have bigger backpacks and would never see cross faction raiding.
It’s only true until it’s not.
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It does matter though, they may both use the light but do so differently. One is infused with the light while the other is not.
Even from what you quoted, using the light as a Forsaken is self destructive.
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And the High Commander of the Army of the Light and one of the literal Paladin companions in Legion was a freaking redeemed Dreadlord. Lights gonna light, yo.
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And that is why this game becomes fecas in writing.
There is no consistency.
Characters changing their motivations and actions just to fill the void of “wRitEr™” who lives only in his/her fantasy where his/her favorite character doing no evil and always godly. Or to please some rando stans yass slay queen “fans” who only see/react to plane cutouts instead of digging deeper and enjoying them with all imperfections.
I was following lore of this game till Cata. Then pandaria refreshed the interest, then draenor ruined it again, then Legion was PERFECT with it and then all other expacs just destroyed this world completely. Now it doesn’t make ANY sense.
But wOooHoooo WE HAVE DRUGENZ!11 WHOOooOOo!!1 (who the shlort is interested in dragons in 2022? I can’t believe there is so many people wanting to play as them).
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I do have to admit to being curious as to how high the quicksand is, that he is sinking into nowadays. 
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Autai gonna cross stitch this and hang it up on her wall.
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