The Light is more dangerous than the void

[Iandore-thrall]

Because Eret meant it as physical light and used physical light/shade as a metaphor to the Light/Void and you tried to stay on HIS metaphor about how plants only need light and that darkness provides nothing for plants and you’re wrong. Factually wrong.

Yet your attack basically boiled down to “some need shade.” It is still sunny out even if you are in the shade.

[Thiluro-illidan]

The Truth owes nothing to error, especially when your definition of “freedom” is actually the definition of slavery.

Lol ok so now I’ve recognized you as a troll. Good day, sir!

Why? As I said:

Freedom is just another word for responsibility.

Take an instrument. One can only “freely” play it once you have total mastery. Anything less than mastery is flopping around like a dead fish.

Can you walk in the middle of space? No, you need something solid and your connection to it must be solid for you to do something so simple as walking.

If you want total chaos without any responsibility, that is called slavery.

Define slavery. And why does chaos insist there’s absolutely no responsibility?

[Snikrot-silver-hand (Snikrot)]

So you still want to stick with the scientific facts and not go theological? Because the shade filters out the sun. So you’re saying that while we need the light, we need something to protect us from the light so that we are not constantly exposed to the full light?

Anyways, plants still need the sun to go away completely so that they can fully absorb the sugar that the sun is changed to. If the sun never goes away, the plant will be in a constant state of creating sugar until it reaches a point where it has too much sugar for it to absorb which will cause it to wilt. This is basic biology.

[Gazfixx-wyrmrest-accord]

Actually war does when caused by zealots. Unless I’m mistaken both sides agreed to cooperate until the Naaru suddenly told Yrel to execute order 66.

[Icengaard-frostmourne]

This moral relativism is garbage.

I have to deal with it in real life, I didn’t want it in my escapist fantasy. I wanted evil to be evil, and good to be good. Not evil to be mostly evil sometimes good and the good to be mostly good sometimes evil.

Things are not black and white, how will my brain deal with such a complex notion! Things fall in grey areas and spectrums…how will my cognative dissonance cope with being challenged by things I was taught to believe…how?!

[Iandore-thrall]

@Thiluro-illidan

@Iandore-thrall

@Thiluro-illidan

@Iandore-thrall

The Truth owes nothing to error, especially when your definition of “freedom” is actually the definition of slavery.

Lol ok so now I’ve recognized you as a troll. Good day, sir!

Why? As I said:

@Iandore-thrall

Freedom is just another word for responsibility.

Take an instrument. One can only “freely” play it once you have total mastery. Anything less than mastery is flopping around like a dead fish.

Can you walk in the middle of space? No, you need something solid and your connection to it must be solid for you to do something so simple as walking.

If you want total chaos without any responsibility, that is called slavery.

Define slavery. And why does chaos insist there’s absolutely no responsibility?

I preemptively answered you by socratic questioning. Breathe, and let’s try again:

@Iandore-thrall

Freedom is just another word for responsibility.

Take an instrument. One can only “freely” play it once you have total mastery. Anything less than mastery is flopping around like a dead fish.

Can you walk in the middle of space? No, you need something solid and your connection to it must be solid for you to do something so simple as walking.

Now, answer those instead of trying to use petulance to try to protect your ego.

@Snikrot-silver-hand

So you still want to stick with the scientific facts and not go theological? Because the shade filters out the sun. So you’re saying that while we need the light, we need something to protect us from the light so that we are not constantly exposed to the full light?

Anyways, plants still need the sun to go away completely so that they can fully absorb the sugar that the sun is changed to. If the sun never goes away, the plant will be in a constant state of creating sugar until it reaches a point where it has too much sugar for it to absorb which will cause it to wilt. This is basic biology.

I am talking about the absurdity of thinking shade means there is no light, then trying to twist that into some silly “argument” that you need protection from Truth because it hurts your ego.

I have received nothing from you but sneering and backpedaling. Being in the sahde does not make the sun go away, just like hiding from the Truth with a full, sneering retreat does not make the Truth go away.

That you do not take advantage of your Rational Soul seems to lead to insecurity when the topic is mentioned.

@Icengaard-frostmourne

@Dayon-wyrmrest-accord

This moral relativism is garbage.

I have to deal with it in real life, I didn’t want it in my escapist fantasy. I wanted evil to be evil, and good to be good. Not evil to be mostly evil sometimes good and the good to be mostly good sometimes evil.

Things are not black and white, how will my brain deal with such a complex notion! Things fall in grey areas and spectrums…how will my cognative dissonance cope with being challenged by things I was taught to believe…how?!

Claiming relativism means that you are claiming that reality is based exclusively on your personal perception. If that is the case, then communication is not even possible and your statements are untrue outside your ego.

This kind of “thinking” that refutes itself has a very unkind name.

@Gazfixx-wyrmrest-accord

Actually war does when caused by zealots. Unless I’m mistaken both sides agreed to cooperate until the Naaru suddenly told Yrel to execute order 66.

Once more:

Just finished the mag'har scenario, the draenei lightbound orcs did nothing wrong

As per usual, the writing in this expac makes the horde truly evil. Now, they always have been, but at least metzen isn’t there to force a tiptoe around it anymore. The mag’har are a strange mix of industrialized and savage in that they are just as bad to the environment as they are to any non-orcs. They turned their lands into a junkyard where you can also get enslaved and your skin turned into a loincloth. From reading the npc and quest text, they seem like if garrosh was carbon copied doz…

[Gazfixx-wyrmrest-accord]

Again, I’m not reading your biased self plug fam

[Thiluro-illidan]

Iandore, you’re such a troll man. But I love it. It’s a nice source of entertainment. I won’t let your comedy get to me personally. Keep on keeping on. /clap

BTW can you define slavery for me. I want to know what you think slavery means.

[Iandore-thrall]

Again, I’m not reading your biased self plug fam

It was a play-by-play account of the scenario written minutes after I finished it myself.

That it completely refutes you and you refuse to read it means that it isn’t my “bias” that is in question here.

Iandore, you’re such a troll man. But I love it. It’s a nice source of entertainment. I won’t let your comedy get to me personally. /clap

Now if only you could address anything I say or answer any of my questions instead of running away while sneering behind you.

[Thiluro-illidan]

Now if only you could address anything I say or answer any of my questions instead of running away while sneering behind you.

I’m addressing your definition of slavery. What is it?

Because you continue to insist that void = chaos = slavery.

[Snikrot-silver-hand (Snikrot)]

Did you just ignore how I said that plants need the sun to completely go away so that they can fully absorb the sugar created through photosynthesis because without that period of complete darkness they will absorb too much sunlight which creates too much sugar for them to absorb which then causes them to wilt?

Pretty sure this is taught in like 5th grade… then again in 7th and 9th grade and one more time in 12th grade.

[Iandore-thrall]

Did you just ignore how I said that plants need the sun to completely go away so that they can fully absorb the sugar created through photosynthesis because without that period of complete darkness they will absorb too much sunlight which creates too much sugar for them to absorb which then causes them to wilt?

Pretty sure this is taught in like 5th grade… then again in 7th and 9th grade and one more time in 12th grade.

I don’t care one whit about plants, and you know that, and we both know we aren’t talking about plants. you are just trying to use it as a metaphor and a tree to run circles around.

When I get you in one area, you run to the other. It is as sickening as it is stupid.

Now if only you could address anything I say or answer any of my questions instead of running away while sneering behind you.

I’m addressing your definition of slavery. What is it?

Because you continue to insist that void = chaos = slavery.

I did that, you completely ignored what I said to call me a troll. Hit a nerve, did I? What (or who) are you running from?

Freedom is just another word for responsibility.

Take an instrument. One can only “freely” play it once you have total mastery. Anything less than mastery is flopping around like a dead fish.

Can you walk in the middle of space? No, you need something solid and your connection to it must be solid for you to do something so simple as walking.

[Thiluro-illidan]

I did that, you completely ignored what I said to call me a troll. Hit a nerve, did I? What (or who) are you running from?

I’m not running from anything, friend. If anyone’s running, it’s you.

You won’t define slavery for the sake of this argument.

/clap

This is why people view you as a troll. Because you won’t actually converse with anyone logically.

[Icengaard-frostmourne]

Life is Good because it is how things are designed to be. evil is just decay caused by misuse and death, often seen with the madness that follows spiritual sickness.

Life is not designed. Life exists because the parameters that have given way to life existed and happen to happen here, on Earth. Death happens because cells have a hard stop function and life cares only about propagation of its genomes and not any single individual.

You are truly a mess with all that psudeo-philosophical babbling that makes 0 logical sense.

[Snikrot-silver-hand (Snikrot)]

Lol what areas am I running to? We have been talking about plants the entire time because you INCORRECTLY tried to correct someone else’s metaphor on plants.

So either stick with your make believe theology and say that you only want to talk about the “light” in terms of theology or admit that you are wrong about plants and how they require both sun and a complete absence of sun to survive.

[Icengaard-frostmourne]

Claiming relativism means that you are claiming that reality is based exclusively on your personal perception

No shiit, do you use another perception other than your own personal brain to view reality???

Because if there is one you really need to show it to us, it would be really trippy to view reality outside my own realm of perception.

IsuseHxistos you are a mega mega troll.

[Iandore-thrall]

I did that, you completely ignored what I said to call me a troll. Hit a nerve, did I? What (or who) are you running from?

I’m not running from anything, friend. If anyone’s running, it’s you.

You won’t define slavery for me for the sake of this argument.

/clap

This is why people view you as a troll. Because you won’t actually converse with anyone logically.

I did just that, both socratically and directly.

Totally wrong in every imaginable way; poor you. Freedom is just another word for responsibility.

Take an instrument. One can only “freely” play it once you have total mastery. Anything less than mastery is flopping around like a dead fish.

Can you walk in the middle of space? No, you need something solid and your connection to it must be solid for you to do something so simple as walking.

I don’t think you know how insulting it is for me to have to repeat myself, especially when your sigular tactic is to ignore all I say while personally insulting me as you retreat. you get one more message.

Claiming relativism means that you are claiming that reality is based exclusively on your personal perception

No shiit, do you use another perception other than your own personal brain to view reality???

Because if there is one you really need to show it to us, it would be really trippy to view reality outside my own realm of perception.

IsuseHxistos you are a mega mega troll.

And does this perception change reality? Let’s test this. Close the blinds (or just look away from the sun), is the sun still there? Order a chair to dance. Tell the sky to stop raining. Call the sky green.

But most importantly, I already destroyed your position in the part of my message you purposely left out:

Claiming relativism means that you are claiming that reality is based exclusively on your personal perception. If that is the case, then communication is not even possible and your statements are untrue outside your ego.

This kind of “thinking” that refutes itself has a very unkind name.

[Artrellis-moon-guard]

This is one of those weird issues where, without getting political or religious (aside from wow religions) you can’t say the Void and Light are equally good or bad. The void has a 99.99999999999999% chance of driving anything that comes into contact with it into a mutated, insane rage. The Light has a small faction of crazy humans and apparently draenei from another universe. Not even going into all the ways the Light has been a boon to Azeroth and instrumental in saving it, the void has not done any of that. Not even once.

Okay my rage at into to philosophy students is over now, I’m calm I swear

[Iandore-thrall]

This is one of those weird issues where, without getting political or religious (aside from wow religions) you can’t say the Void and Light are equally good or bad. The void has a 99.99999999999999% chance of driving anything that comes into contact with it into a mutated, insane rage. The Light has a small faction of crazy humans and apparently draenei from another universe. Not even going into all the ways the Light has been a boon to Azeroth and instrumental in saving it, the void has not done any of that. Not even once.

Okay my rage at into to philosophy students is over now, I’m calm I swear

The beauty of these “debates” (although I have yet to see many arguments presented) is that they really aren’t about the game. They are just trying to use the game to try to hide from or explain away their own Goodness or evil in real life.

[Icengaard-frostmourne]

And does this perception change reality? Let’s test this. Close the blinds (or just look away from the sun), is the sun still there?

Let’s imagine you said that to a person who due to mental trauma now has trouble identifying object permance.

Whilst the sun hasn’t gone anywhere, that person (who only has that one perspective of reality) will be screaming “Where the heck did you hide the sun”?

It’s the same reason witness testimony is unreliable in court. 10 people see the exact same event and you can easily get 10 defferent accounts of what happened.