In a sane world where people don’t suffer from brain worms and internet rabies, your perspective would be completely reasonable and i would agree with you.
But I’ve played this game, folks. I’ve done leveling dungeons. I’ve seen player behavior. I don’t need validation or agreement. People don’t care about the game until they are max level and can do endgame content with their friends.
And my personal theory – unprovable of course – is that a lot of the insane behavior we see in leveling dungeons is actually people who work for leveling services. Why would they care about anything but a quick finish and their xp, when the’re being paid for speed?
Hey just remember, we’re not impatient, it’s the game that doesn’t force us to be patient. Blizzard unintentionally streamlined this game to always meet the dopamine rushers’ needs and they’ve just somehow conveniently not noticed for years now.
Thank you for proving my point about some people not caring so long as they get what they want. If you want to get to max in the blink of an eye and complete content in the blink of an eye, you do you. What you refuse to see is you’re one person in a sea of players. You’re allowed to like what you like, however simultaneously other people have a right to play their toons too and not be subjected to everything being one shot by some level 11 or other schmuck because YOU have decided “it’s a chore” or similar. Sorry but you’re not so important you get to prevent 4 other people from being able to play at all. No one in this game is.
If you want to get everything done in 10 seconds put your money where your mouth is and cough up for a boost. Farm it out with gold if you have to for all I care. You say “slower leveling isn’t the answer” well likewise subjecting 4 other people to an interactive movie or not even being able to play their toons because of one person like yourself isn’t the answer either. I don’t want things to be so slow you can read War and Peace cover to cover between pulls, however I also don’t want it to be over in a single frame either. I like to actually cast more than one spell and not be forced to follow along behind one moron or eat a 30 minute penalty.
id rather spend 60 usd on anything other then a digital boost. people have the option to quest at their pace. but in a 5 man no way im smelling the same roses ive smelled 10000 times. the game really starts at end game
Once again thank you for proving you’re part of the problem by not being willing to put your money where your mouth is either by being willing to farm gold to obtain boosts, or outright pay for one. If you want to do dungeons in the blink of an eye, you’re allowed to like that. What you don’t get to do is subject 4 other people to your pace and deny them the ability to even get to participate in content because YOU don’t want to “smell the roses”. You demand others “keep up or leave” and sacrifice their gameplay for you, but woe be to the people who dare speak up and say they want to play too. I mean heaven forbid group content actually have all the group members be able to participate.
Yeah no again you don’t get to do that. There are more people in group content than just you, than just me, and some of us like to actually get to play the toons we make.
Hazing is literally against the law in almost every state due to the fact that it is abuse. Initiation rituals are abuse.
This reminds me of my best friends first time on the highway with our driving instructor. He was merging on super slow and the instructor screamed “hit the gas before you get us all killed!!!”
Fun times /sighs wistfully
i can turbo out a toon in 2 days max why would i pay real money?
Agreed, this game now blows.
You keep complaining about the game sucking and it “really starts at max” yet don’t take the obvious solution in front of you. If you hate it that bad, why do you do it? Why do you not cough up for the skip? Your problem is you say “it really starts at max” yet you level multiple toons doing stuff you say you hate. You play content you say is " a chore" or whatever else even though you could be playing “actual” content. You folks come into TW or similar and ruin it for everyone else with the whole “rush rush rush gotta get world first infinity” mindset and then wonder why folks say something. Then when folks dare say they want to actually get to participate too or want to have runs last more than 5 seconds, you all throw a hissy fit about how “you just want to smell the roses.” You all do stuff you say you hate, whine about it, attack people who say they want to actually play their toons and it not be a game of Walking Simulator or they want to be able to actually not blink and it be done. Then you cry victim when people say something and pretend everyone else is the problem.
You all love to claim you have the majority yet refuse to form your own groups of like minded people and leave others out of it. You won’t cough up for a boost even though it’s a solution to your problem. So what are people supposed to think? Why should everyone else have to deal with bad dungeons because people like yourself want it to be over in 5 seconds? I swear you people would just have blizzard mail you gear if you thought they would do it.
yea it was a awful change. got rid of any reason i had to keep some old gear and chances to use old leggos
It really sucks because if you’ve played Classic WoW recently it’s really obvious that that first dungeon experience with other people is what originally drew people into the game. It’s slow, but that means you have time to chat with other people and socialize. Every time you stop to drink is a chance to have a little conversation with people.
And yeah, obviously I don’t want go to back to that, that’s why Classic WoW exists. But I hope there’s still something like that for new players, something to do with other players that they can socialize with them and draws people into the game. I genuinely have no idea what that is nowadays because I rarely experience that while leveling alts.
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m+ or raiding is actual content. 5 second 5 mans is not content they hold zero weight or importance at cap. heroic and normal i straight up skip as soon as i cap a toon and go into m0 or m2 and send a bunch of warbound gear to give it a nice skip. thanks to the annaversary event i leveled most of my alts to cap that i wanted to level and it was fast like a few hours max was so nice and brainless. i wont manually form a group just to go fast i will go fast no matter the group. ill grind vs spending 60 bucks any day of the week
This is my point exactly.
I have to say it louder for the people in the back: WE DON’T WANT TO TURN RETAIL INTO CLASSIC. I don’t think it should be THAT slow.
And the point isn’t that new players are stupid like some people have been insinuating. Believe me I’ve been the biggest critic of Blizzard treating players like morons.
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I think the bigger problem is that the whole combat system is now designed around high level m+ mechanics and so low level dungeons feel really boring unless you do big AoE pulls. Classic dungeons were fun, because the whole economy of character power made individual enemies and drops feel satisfying. And expansions like Wrath and MoP just incrementally capitalized on that by making players feel more and more powerful, but still somewhat within “classic” rules.
But retail is too far gone now. If they just buff enemy HP in dungeons, it’s going to be boring. If they add end game mechanics, it might become too frustrating. If they overhaul the entire combat system to slow it down, it’s going to destroy the end game. So it’s really a case of leveling falling a victim to extremely end game centric game design.
they buffed hp for TW in a hotfix a while back and it made level 71 to 80 a complete chore to do feels harder then they should be. messed with scaling to slow people down.
And there’s the elitism you finally had the spinal fortitude to show. You not caring for a specific content type doesn’t magically make it an invalid content type. Sorry but no one elected you the arbiter of what is content and what isn’t, nor are you that important. You proved my point in plain black and white your ilk doesn’t care who they screw over so long as they get what they want and further prove why m+ needs to be deleted from this game.
You say nothing outside of m+ and raiding is content yet you played “not content” for hours. If you can play it then it’s content, if it’s in the game it’s content. You may not think it’s very good content but it’s still content.
Once again thank you for proving your own arrogance and why you’re part of what’s wrong with the game. You think you have a right to screw over 4 other people and only you matter and yeah you don’t get to do that. You m+ types whine about stuff like “resto shaman are op and need to be nerfed because no other healers can get invites to keys” then when someone holds you to your same standard, you throw a hissy fit like a kid getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
If we’re going to “balance” m+ so “other healers can get invites” then we’re balancing TW and other content too. You don’t get to have it both ways. Practice what you preach before you sit here and try to demand from others or be quiet.
Does that happen? Can only speak for my personal experience as someone with some level locked characters + running into some level locked players, but even falling behind i never kicked people that fall behind nor have i been kicked for falling behind on a slower character.
Not saying it don’t happen at all, just seems like an odd thing since you can’t really slow the group down if 1 character is clearing everything in 1 hit n running ahead of everyone else.
have fun in zg at level 20 single pack pulling and killing everything for no reason? you want to turn freeways into streets playing red light green light all day. if you want to level your slow pace thats on you. dont bring people who want to take the fast lane. better example on a 2 lane highway your the guy camping the left lane slowing everyone down, move to the right lane and let people pass. i dont even do quests in the 5 mans i just look at xp bar and chain run as many as possible as fast as possible per hour