On live retail WoW whoever invites brings the person over, right? If they made it random I suspect it would only make things worse. Then it would be a gamble to join any group in the world because you may lose the mobs around you that you want to kill.
Imagine an MMO-online where you are afraid to join a group ROFL!!!
The corpses of the mobs i had just killed still being on the ground.
Layering is not working like sharding is in retail. We know that much for sure. So I wouldn’t use live retail as an example of how it will work. Sure it’s the same priniciple on a larger scale but from what I’ve seen they differ a lot on how they work.
Oh yeah…that would work real well.
Player calls out about killing ogre boss in Loch Modan.
You accept because boss is gone in your layer.
Party leader moves to your layer (not supposed to happen) and now 2 of you are waiting on a boss spawn.
Yeah…brillant design.
While I was leveling in Mulgore starter area in the first stress test, by the gnoll caves is where I experienced the most mobs and players disappearing. It was a very concentrated space with limited mob spawns. Over by the hut on the hill to the south, a few cougars would disappear when I approached. I then went over to the orc/troll starter area, but didn’t see any layering. I should add though that when I went to the orc area, it was past the actual stress test time (4 to 6pm pst) and was 3 hours past it. We were able to play for 24 hours, and I think a lot less people were on during that time.
By the 2nd stress test I was in the undead area, doing quests up to level 10 in Brill, and again saw no problems, other than constant disconnects. So maybe it won’t be as bad at Classic launch. It entirely depends on how many people show up at once. We shall see…
No you don’t. It is literally the same system man. Why can’t people understand this?
/cry
So because it’s a flaw it cant work that way?
Rather it has to be how you imagine. Easy layer swaps via re-log and/or invite. With how the chats were in the tests. How are you even sure the guy isn’t or is on your layer?
Opinions are fine. When the person has stated one that isnt just straight up lunacy.
Are you this naive in reality or are you just trolling?
Because its not, and I am telling you it functions differently. I have played both BfA and classic tests. It functions differently. So yes same system in thought but different in practice.
Lol did you do the stress test? are you in the beta? do you have first hand experience with it at all?
I don’t know. You tell me. You said you relogged multiple times to try to change layers and you couldn’t.
So how do you tell what layer you are in to begin with ?
What did you look at to see that you didn’t switch layers ?
BFA shards you more often and has many more. Classic has less and shards you less often. Yes man…so different…oh dude…its just so wildly different.
I experienced it most in Mulgore too. I also wasn’t playing during the actual stress test when experiencing it in Mulgore. Didn’t have an issue with layer swaps in Elwynn until trying to get into Asmon’s layer for the end of the play period shenanigans.
Where I got an invite to the raid group, could see them on my minimap at SW when I was near Goldshire. However when I went to SW bridge they would disappear from minimap and weren’t visible in game either.
Are you seriously not understanding how easy it will be? Let me spell it out again for you…
Person A: Alright let’s go to un goro and farm the hell outa devilsaurs lawl
Person B: Okay, I wonder if we are in same shard.
(Gets there, they aren’t…)
Person C: Oh crap, I see Person B. Relogging, brb… Crap didn’t change me…okay /whoing and asking for invites till i swap…okay it worked we got three shards
Person A: Okay I just wiped out all my devilsars, invite me person B…Okay now invite both of us Person C… Okay now we are filthy rich…
I was alone in the area I looked at all the corpses of the gnolls I had just killed. Already answered this.
So the answer is no and you are assuming it will be quick and easy. What if you have what i experienced, get an invite and dont get moved in layer? What then? keep trying til it works? Well I guess its not as easy as just a simple re-log or invite is it?
“Oh yea, what if…”
“What if…”
You are being naive. It won’t be that difficult to hop a shard homie. It just won’t.
Alright bub. Go with your assumption. If anything launch will be closer to the stress tests than the beta.
Shocknyou,
Many thanks for an excellent post on this issue. As many have already pointed out, expect the fanboys / trolls to come out in full force to pander blizzard’s messaging regarding layering.
I would have been fine with sharding in ONLY starting zones and I think most would take that instead of realm wide sharding for the whole leveling experience on your first 60 (that is basically phase 1). Layering is for one reason and one reason only: To save money and require a skeleton staff to run classic while the subscriptions flow in. From a shareholder perspective (I have held ATVI) this is exactly what I would want to be seeing when there is no other way to monetize the game. Blizzard already knows that a cash shop / pay to win will cause people to leave.
I was at launch for WoW in 2004 and TBC in 2007 and I don’t remember it being the catastrophe people say it was. I actually remember having a lot of fun!