The lack of a tank spec for evoker is really showing why this game is cutting corners

If the lore allows something to happen, it should happen :slight_smile:
The RPG aspect comes from the lore and if that lore isn’t being adhered to then that is an issue for the RPG.

Dh only had 2 specs. Evokers with only two specs does seem a ton of corner cutting…considering warriors and dks are tanks with two dps specs,they cut corners 100% on demon hunters. Oh and while their leader was deathwing, they strangely learn ZERO earth magic. Hell they have all the gear made, enhancemeny shamans and hunters are a thing but honestly I’d love to see an Int based tank. We already have agl and str tanks, perfect opportunity. I mean theres a metric tin of talents they have which would make them great tanks.

Except, in this case, it doesn’t.

Thank goodness Blizzard doesn’t agree with you either.

Until you realize that Evokers can do exactly the things that DH can’t do, which is heal and ranged DPS, then it makes sense and was obviously intentional.

Thats not my point. Camon’. :roll_eyes:

Nah, Im not buying that.

There isnt any other reason why you would actively not want a third spec. :man_facepalming:

Doesnt make it false either. Clear case of Occam’s razor here.

What the hell…
People are actively saying they would have liked a third spec - LIKE EVERY OTHER CLASS made prior to this same team taking over - and youre position is: You dont need it! :neutral_face::man_facepalming:

Don’t remember the tears for a DH healer spec…

Almost like Melee/tanks are used to be catered to.

Not really. Its funny every “supposed hero class” (by blizzard’s designation) UNTIL now was melee based, they FINALLY make a caster hero class and the cries echo throughout the land.

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My complaint is more about only two specs than what the actual 3rd spec should be.

I consider only two specs to be a cheap and lazy move on Blizzards part.

Nah, just going to have one spec. Can’t be bothered with two anymore.

Whats wrong with the current tanks we already have? Is it because they’re old and not new? Does it even matter? Do you think adding a brand new class with a tank spec is going to change anything for the lack there of?

quick q, what if evoker had a 3rd spec and it was another healer/rdps, like how priest has 2 heal specs or hunter has 2 ranged specs? would you still be complaining about “corner-cutting” or is it melee, specifically, you need for a class to be well-rounded and complete?

All three Heroic classes have only had two specs:

DK: Tank & Melee DPS (although they do have two)
DH: Tank & Melee DPS
Lizard: Ranged DPS & Ranged heal

Seem like creating an additional spec would have been more work. The opposite of lazy.

More work is not the opposite of lazy

If you really want to argue that someone doing more work than they needed to is being lazy I’ll just leave you that whole hill to die on.

But generally speaking m+ prefer range. Usually is 1 tank 1 healer 2 range and 1 melee. Raid also perfer range

We are playing the elite Evoker class of the Dracthyr. Not the meat shields.

The problem with this line of thinking is that it imposes a long term design constraint to try to address a short term problem. A new class is only new and shiny for a little while near the beginning of its availability in game. During that shiny period you may wind up picking up some new tanks from those on the new spec. Also, for the tank players who want to try the new and shiny class, they will certainly try tank helping to reduce the impact of the lack of tanks.

But as soon as the newness wears off, tank players will be on a tank whether that’s the new class or previous one. For players who don’t like the role of tanking, they will wind up on a non-tanking spec eventually.

While there is a possibility that tanking on the new class could be more enjoyable than existing tanks for some players that they stick with it, it’s unlikely that will be very common. The mechanics of tanking and the responsibility tanks shoulder is likely going to determine whether a player sticks with tanking, not the specific class.

If a tanking spec naturally fits with the design of the class, that’s fine for a new class to have one. But it shouldn’t be something that gets shoe horned in just to try to alleviate a short term challenge. The long term design implications and balancing will outweigh a few weeks of additional tank players.

That’s all true. Balancing would be tough with another spec added and tank payers will
probably return to their tanks, since that’s their preference. I would like to see all classes able to perform all roles, but that’s a topic deserving its own thread and I know GD has discussed that already.

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No. Another ranged or heal spec would be a third spec and could be interesting.

Possibly another dps spec that relies less on instants and more casts.

Yeah I have seen zero enhance shamans in keys or raids in shadow lands and I keymastered on multiple toons each season, and the world has been on fire on their forums for dragonflight. I don’t like the spec but instead of forcing a melee dragon let’s put that effort into fixing specs that exist that people are pissed about. I don’t have a grip on bfa meta because that xpack got boring and I quit to play something else. But legion you can search my achievements if you would like I play a ton, enhance wasn’t very relevant in the grand scheme either, maybe it was better than shadowlands but still is that a hard bar to clear lol