They got to resurrect their entire pantheon of Wild Gods in Cataclysm.
And in case you missed. Y’rel’s turned evil and apparantly doomed her world.
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Ashenvale, Kalimdor, Azeroth
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And every single one of them has responded to the Night elves’ need of aid with a resounding ‘meh’, including Cenarius, who is directly at fault for the Night elves attacking the Orcs.
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Oh you mean the Wild Gods who are completely neutral and don’t actually aid the Night Elves in anything anymore? Those Wild Gods?
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I don’t exactly disagree with you when it comes to the Alliance not being the problem, but I have to point something out here.
The pantheon of Wild Gods was more of a rediscovery of ancients that had been laying dormant, the most memorable and significant resurrection was Cenarius, which was particularly pathetic because it happened in the same expansion when night elves were collectively getting their rear ends handed to them, only to have their greatest champion return as a neutral quest giver who, to this day, hasn’t said a word about the predicament of the Kaldorei. It’s also worth noting that this entire endeavor was taken up by the Cenarion Circle / Avengers of Hyjal, with the express aid of Hamuul Runetotem, because god forbid the Horde isn’t included even when it involves Cenarius and the night elves.
Yes, the humans have taken massive hits, Stormwind is all that stands, the dwarves had their civil war, the gnomes are still homeless (sort of) and the draenei still live in a ruin.
However, the humans get to project agency and power in a manner that dwarfs everyone else, they’re so powerful and numerous that I’ve lost track on the sheer amount of fronts humans have fought where they’ve lost big and won big. The dwarves had their civil war in a book, and only ended up unifying their clans with Ironforge as the seat. The gnomes have also rallied to retake their home and take a much more central role, obviously they still deserve some love. The draenei are arguably the closest to the Kaldorei in predicament, but they also don’t get crapped on anywhere near to the number of times we do.
The issue is, night elves are only allowed to be strong or semi-competent as part of some neutral coalition and never against the Horde. Scourge? Legion? Sure, we got that under wraps, but all of that nature magic and Sentinel skill falls flat whenever we have to face the Horde, in which we promptly get our teeth kicked in and need to be rescued. It was Varian that had to come rescue Tyrande and the besieged night elves in Maestra’s Post in Wolfheart.
Just go back and do Ashenvale on a Horde character, orcs snipe night elves like Legolas mowing down the Haradrim in LOTR, and when an ancient finally kills Brutusk, the kodo you ride to trample over countless night elves, there is an emotional moment where one of the orcs goes “BRUTUSK! NOOO!!” and one-shots the ancient with an axe. It’s comical, it’s pathetic, night elves might as well be replaced with kobolds. The storytelling is so eye-roll inducing, that one of the orcs return as a vengeful spirit cause a night elf captain defeated his squadron, and he comes back for “vengeance” against the elf that is defending HIS homeland. And all this is done with the help of a tauren shaman.
That’s why all this Night Warrior hype feels like a pacifier more than anything, I’m hoping we get some closure, but I’m unsure if they can make up for dragging us through the mud for more than a decade now. At best, we’re going to win and drive them out after they burned our home and killed thousands of us, at worst, we lose or have the Alliance rescue us again to go back to the status quo.
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Yeah! So that Cenarius could personally tell us just how cool the orcs are and how it was a mistake to attack them, even as Garrosh was burning Ashenvale and slaughtering elves at that very moment.
Hyperbole aside, I think that the night elves really suffer from… I can’t think of a good label, but I’ll try calling it an imbalance of detail: Basically, whenever they lose, it’s in drawn-out, excruciating detail - but when they win, the story is barebones, immediately switched to something else, or told only by tweet. And, as exemplified by Cata and the War of Thorns, even when the story smacks the Horde silly with the villain bat to make them do awful things to the night elves, things which -really- demand comment from the rest of the world - the story just ignores it.
Killing neutral night elf druids, skinning them, and hanging them from trees? Cairne got angry at Garrosh for it, then got killed and the plot switched to him. (This wasn’t actually done by the Horde, but it was believed to be Garrosh’s orders - was this ever discovered?) Where is the Cenarion Circle denouncing Garrosh and the Horde who stand with him?
Burning night elf civilians and children alive in Teldrassil? No comment. One orc gets sad and decides to respond by killing as many Alliance soldiers as possible before they kill him. Where’s Thalyssra’s line that she didn’t want -this- to happen to her former allies, however grudging their help was? Where is Lor’themar commenting the parallels to the Scourge invasion of Quel’thalas?
I think that a lot of trouble came from carving the Cenarion Circle out of the night elves’ society, making them neutral, and then never having them comment on the war, either.
If they want to keep the Circle and Cenarius out of the faction war, fine, there are plenty of other problems for them to be conveniently busy with - but at least let them say something about how they feel about their loved ones getting killed, or Garrosh/Sylvanas’ destructive invasion of the -forest- if nothing else!
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I’d point out not every German was killed off/punish after WW1/2. At least not in the method you want. Also, the fact is Undercity was her city and if you wanted a quick end to the Sylvanas was the first you have to deal with.
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No but we killed or imprisoned every high rank officer whether they were civilian or military.
We effectively hunted down every single Naz! And made sure not a single one so much as poked their head out.
Israel had pretty much organized an international task force to find and apprehend every single person that managed to slip through the cracks.
If you are so eager to compare the Horde to the Naz! Party (good job blizzard) then where the heck do you think every high ranking NPCs falls under?
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At worst? Maybe presenting them as too strong in Warcraft 3.
Not sure they can in a way that would satisfy Night Elf fans without sacrificing a fair bit for other fans.
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They were a playable race.
They had to be strong.
Also how the hell does a respectful presentation of NEs in anyway hamper your enjoyment? Do you have some sort of sadistic fetish or something?
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I’m not sure a playable RTS race has to be strong. That’s a bit less important, though. But beyond that, I noted too strong, not just strong.
A respectful presentation of Night Elves wouldn’t hamper my enjoyment.
Thats not what you said a few moments ago.
No I didn’t. You misunderstood my statement.
So you mean to say that Night Elf fans want more than what you would constitute as just respectful?
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They…don’t exactly have a sterling record for their activities.
Not even going to get into the whole israel behavior with a ten foot pole.
I was only pointing out that we didn’t just stop at Hitler when it came to dismantling the third riech.
Not all of them. But typically that is the impression I have.
The Horde just cut through 3 zones like hot knife through butter and destroyed another one completely and utterly with some minor details like genocides and failed rescue missions.
Now please tell me what have the night elves demanded that have shocked you so?
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I think asking for the Night Elves to be as strong as the rest of the Alliance together and dismantling the Horde in humiliating ways goes beyond just respectful.
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I am not even a NE fan anymore but I absolutely want the Horde humiliated in a way.
Like Saurfang’s face in the dirt with Tyrande’s foot on his neck. Imagine something like that or its equivalent.
The NEs got pretty humiliated this expansion so they are definitely due some reckoning of their own.
Problem is any action against the Horde seems to be a personal insult to the Horde posters here so we can’t have that apparently.
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