The Inevitability of Wrath

You think they’ll actually admit they were wrong when boosting proves to have no impact?

Ah, you sweet summer child.

You can think whatever you want, but apparently I can’t. We see how well people handle others’ opinions.

In any case, Blizz hasn’t said what they’re doing with TBC. So apparently people not knowing causes them to lash out at others. But that’s the WoW forums.

No, but I’ll expect them too be quiet, just like the #nochange’rs did.

I didn’t start raiding until wrath, so TBC raids are the big draw card for me- as was classic’s raids. I honestly don’t care about boosts, a ‘cash shop’, the end of the world…of warcraft, or whatever a lot of people seem to have their jimmies rustled about.
I have mostly fond memories of wrath, including lfd when it first came along. Full disclosure though, I did stop tanking for randoms as the game progressed into cata- I did not enjoy most of the attitudes I was seeing. I’d still like to see it again as it was in wrath, and it did often help fill an empty slot or two when needed.

Where do you think those attitudes came from?

Do you think those attitudes would be different after 3 years of only WotLK, than then were after 2 years of WotLK and one of Cataclysm?

I think if you ask most players that tank, they will say this is the reason a lot either stopped doing pugs and randoms, or just outright quit tanking.

It is a thankless job and you are the first one everyone poops on, followed closely by the healers. It is never the DPS that are to blame for anything.

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Really? Because my observation was that whenever there was a wipe in a dungeon queue dungeon–no matter how blatantly it was the result of people in the group refusing to use even the most basic of tactics–someone would call up Recount and whichever damage dealer had the lowest numbers would be summarily vote-kicked.

And yes, that was my observation as a tank, a healer, and as a damage-dealer.

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RAF existed in TBC and that is a form of boost. So, in essence, boost existed in original TBC.

Haha owned Jimmy, no one agrees with you

And when you won’t be able to make any gold you’ll sook and cry for them add to the WoW Token :slight_smile:

Wrath was my favorite expansion. Ret was always my favorite spec, and it really took off here. DW Frost DKs were a blast. The game became a bit more alt-friendly, too.

I’ll be super excited for it to drop.

From memory, it was most often the zerg ‘must go faster- consequences be damned’ mentality. I’m not exactly slow, but I do prefer everyone to be topped and and ready- especially in case of accidental pulls or whatever may go wrong. Unless I’m confidently overgeared, I prefer to play it safe.

I suspect it was a result of lfd becoming a quick loot/gold/xp thing over time. It seems to be the standard in retail now- at least in my experience.

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That’s one thing I like about playing DPS. I think of a tank, then take away reason and accountability… :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

That answers my first question but not my second. Let me be more explicit about what I’m saying then.

The attitudes you speak of may or may not have only shown up by Cataclysm, but if they did that was a function of time, not of something about Cataclysm that changed or interacted with the dungeon queue. Permanent WotLK with the dungeon queue will wind up in the same place as Cataclysm–probably a lot faster than the first time around, as the people who want gogogogogo will know what the dungeon queue means and how it works on the day they first log into a version of the game that has the dungeon queue.

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To clarify, no.
I suspect (and I know that the plural of anecdote is not data), that the change of attitude was the result of time.
I suspect that classic wotlk may have the same issues eventually if given enough time. It’s not a certainty, but it does seem likely. Ymmv, of course.

I progressed through all of BC back in the day and back then it was amazing. However, as weird as it sounds it’s not something I have any interest in going back and doing unlike classic. That why BC private servers never stuck around/always failed. It’s very overrated imo. I doubt blizz will keep BC around forever

Oh no, they will say the games 100x worse with bots in tbc despite the botting being no worse nor better than it is currently in wow classic.

Many do, you just like to ignore them to try and prove your non existent point. I do like that you comment on each post I make like my avid little fanboy. I love when people do nothing but think about me, really shows I won pretty easily :smiley:

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I had totally forgotten that the first store mount were added at the very end of Wrath. Either keep that stuff out or let those that already own it use it, having to buy it again would be totally unacceptable.

Edit:
If I remember correctly, the riding skill you still had to pay for was the expensive part?

It was, but it did essentially cut 1k gold off the epic flying charge for all classes. While I personally don’t care, I could see other would.

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So we absolutely agree on that. And for me, that leads to: The dungeon queue was the worst thing that ever happened to the game (in a field of rather intense competition).

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