No, that really doesn’t help anything. This is lis like comparing apples and… tennis balls or something.
The emerald dream was being attacked at that moment. Really doesnt get any more present than that. The ramifacations of which we are feeling now as part of out current universe. Xavius didnt hope realities, he was there exicuting this the whole time. Thats not to say this has no affect on other races including those of the horde, old god curroption affects everyone, but being that no major horde person (aside from the pc) is involved firsthand it its second had at best. Where the night elf characters experienced all that first hand.
The death of ysera hasnt affected anything? Jarod shadowsong popping back up? The curruptuon of the emerald dream? Everything that happened to the warrdens and maev? I dont agree that the events of val’sharah have no bearing on the current night elves.
Time travel and alternate universe stuff gets way to complicated. Blizzard should never have tried to exicute that nonsense. Although, the iron horde attacking was developped for playable orcs, and trolls, and humans, gnomes, nightelves, and everyone else. The alternate reality attacking is now everyones history.
What does Ysera have to do with playable night elves that she doesn’t with anyone else?
That’s convenient that you dismiss my argument by stating time travel is nonsense. That’s neither here nor there. What’s more is that you state that the Iron Horde pertains to everyone… but in the first part of your post, you willfully don’t apply this to the other situations except that this concept is very much at work there too.
If you want a good example of development relevant to the playable race - the Night Elf questline in Krasarang. It is aesthetically fitting, thematically relevant, reveals something about the present race and opens up possibilities for future plotlines.
Like poor Tyrande doesn’t even make it in the final Siege of Orgrimmar cinematic. All the Horde leaders have cameos (which is appropriate). But the “we” in that Alliance is Jaina, Anduin, and Varian. Nevermind that the most appropriate racial leader who ought to give a fig about any shenanigans in Org is Tyrande as Org is on her doorstep.
The Alliance is woefully “humans and friends”.
It’s true that other races (on both factions) haven’t had much specific development over the years. But Blood Elf NPCs look, act, and feel like blood elves; the same for Forsaken, Gnomes, Goblins, etc. Night Elves and Tauren though mostly just feel like druids and purple humans/furry horned orcs respectively.
It does. I do see that since we are fallowing malfurion it leans more in the alliance/ night elf direction.
It could just be my interpretation, but i felt that event struck tyrande particularly hard. Ysera lways hd a special relationship with the night elves. I cant imagine have to make the call to kill such an important figure to you and your people doesnt affect you. This doesnt hve the same impact on gnomes, or trolls that it does night elves.
When it comes to the iron horde. They attacked the whole of azeroth and evryone on azeroth responded. Horde and alliance were mobilized. You dont see horde forces being commited to val’sharah. The most you see is a token tauren just to point out that horde has druids to and that they are a total shoe in.
I pretty sure i did say that it affects everyone but that not everyone is directly involved.
I agree, and to some extent blizzard is trying now but doing a poor job in its exicution.
Not only that, Stormwind get beaten half to death with the shallow bat as well. Where’s the Brotherhood of the Horse? What does the House of Nobles do when they aren’t being scolded by a Wrynn? What happened to Westfall and all the economic problems that likely affected other zones? Where’s the refugee drama that ALWAYS happens IRL? There’s so much material in that nation for a compelling story, yet there aren’t any. Some have even been white-washed in the Chronicles. The writers seem to be more interested in banal fantasy tropes that have been beaten to death long ago.
Stormwind as a nation is just as much of a victim as the other races. They just had the fortune of being skinned then copy + pasted everywhere as the “face” of the Alliance.
Check again! She and Moira are there. I’d also point in the entire history of WoW we actually see all the leaders in the Alliance in one place about twice as often then the horde.
That particular comment was taken out of context. It was a night elf complementing a human. You know who else does that? Anduin. Every allied race get Anduin gushing about either how special they are or how he expect them to be great members of the Alliance!
You really hit the nail on the head here. Whether they meant to do it or not, starting in WotLK Blizzard stopped writing for the Horde and Alliance and started writing for the Horde (good guys) and the Horde (bad guys).
Both started Cataclysm with a brash, sometimes thick, hotheaded warmonger leading both sides but somewhere along the way the story devolved into “Orcs and/or Forsaken commit atrocity, Alliance then reacts to it.”
I think it’s the biggest reason I’ve come to loathe the faction war in recent years. I’ve unironically started rooting for factions as a whole to end, that way individual races can have a story again.
“Anduin praises people! Aren’t you happy to earn praise and a canned pep talk from your Emperor?!”
That particular comment deserves the ire it spawned. Blizzard has a habit of turning women into trophy wives for male characters. Even Tyrande got less interesting once she hooked up with Malfurion. Her entire MoP story was a skirt-clenching worry-spree straight out of a Wheel of Time novel.
The entire context of that “human potential” meme is a Horde character trying to insult a human with a night elf defending her. That was the point, everyone in the Alliance is suppose to support each other.
You of all people should know I am well aware where that meme came from. My discription still remains valid. Dark Ranger Aeriel was dissing Keshan for being a human and Shandis defending him. Pointing out he is more capable than Aeriel gives him credit for. For the most part the current dialog still reflects it:
Ranger Captain Areiel says: Shandris, it’s been… two, three thousand years? To think we’d meet again like this, and with you helping a human, of all things.
Shandris Feathermoon says: And you still cling to your outdated views on humans. I should’ve killed you a long time ago.
It wasn’t entirely removed–it was just changed from “You don’t understand the true potential of humans” to “I see you still have outdated opinions of humans.” The Night Elf is still defending humans to the other character.
Dissing humans simply because they are a young race is pretty damn short-sighted and judgemental though, even for a race whose roots go back tens of thousands of years.
You would think a people whose wisdom and knowledge of the world is respected and highly-sought would realize that simple fact.
And people say I move the goal post. The assertion was that Tyrande was not in the cinematic. Which as you proved is factually false.
Second, unlike The Horde portion of the cinematic, the Alliance one was decidedly about how to deal with the Horde, exemplified by Anduin/Jaina wanting to destroy/make peace with it. That particular cinematic was decidely focused on Varian’s decision and the fact the Alliance is ready to continue fighting(or to stop).
Also, Tyrande mentioned in her epilogue that Varian had already discussed the decision with Varian before hand.
Lastly, Tyrandd inevitable got her own time to shine in a cinematic(Ysera’s death). So she isnt exactly a loser in the spotlight department.
Edit: Thinking about it more, EVERY ALLIANCE LEADER(well former in Magni’s case anyway), has actually had their moment to shine in a cinematic since MoP. Which is why I dont think it was so wrong for Varian to get the spotlight in that expansion.
She’s not even fully in-frame. The only reason she shows up is because she’s physically in the room.
I am SO sorry. I should have said “barely there”. She is such an after-thought that they couldn’t even bother to adjust her placement with random sentinel#475.
For all intents and purposes, she was not. She was on screen for a quarter of a second in the wideshot of the whole room, and only half of her was partially on screen in another shot of the Alliance side of the room. The nameless Stormwind guards had more of a presence than her. Heck, the wideshot of the entire Horde leadership is more than what she got in the Alliance cinematic. If Khelek blinked during the cinematic, I’d forgive them for thinking she wasn’t present at all.
Which seems like something Tyrande should have a say about. As horrific as Theramore was, it was also sudden. The Night Elves have been fending off the Horde since Vanilla. Including Garrosh’s renewed assault, which had heinous atrocities of it’s own, like Silverwind Refuge.
Yeah, convenient that. How she keeps on being shunted aside by the writing during matters that intimately involve her. Garrosh’s defeat. The fight to reclaim Darkshore, with her new power up. Azshara.
I don’t think anyone said she’d never been in a cinematic, period. But how many cinematics do Varian, Jaina, and Anduin have? The Horde’s continued existence on Kalimdor was a matter of considerable impact for the Night Elves, and Tyrande should have had a more active role in its conclusion than as a background prop while the Humans sorted it all out.