If this is the case, then why does faction dominance shift between Alliance and Horde from xpac to xpac?
It doesn't. We had WoD, you had Legion, and now have BfA.
It doesn't. We had WoD, you had Legion, and now have BfA.
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This. My queue times can still be lower.10/26/2018 05:40 AMPosted by TzuyuAt this point if you really think this is a problem, stop queueing up.
Back during the original scorched earth AV alliance did that and they moved the horde starting point back.
Something pretty drastic has to be done and that will only happen if participation bottoms out.
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10/26/2018 06:10 AMPosted by TopicalmemeWhat we want Blizzard to fix is that fact that good competitive players have absolutely no incentive to play Alliance right now. Try reading posts before you reply to them.
Please point out what incentives Blizzard currently gives players to roll Horde.
10/26/2018 06:50 AMPosted by MiadraIf this is the case, then why does faction dominance shift between Alliance and Horde from xpac to xpac?
It doesn't. We had WoD, you had Legion, and now have BfA.
My point was that faction dominance shifts over time. But nitpick away.
10/26/2018 07:53 AMPosted by JugajrThis. My queue times can still be lower.
I remember I used to queue up, spin around in my chair twice and it would pop. Yesterday I had to wait TWO whole minutes for it to pop. Wtf do horde not wanna play anymore or something?
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10/26/2018 06:10 AMPosted by EraycerYou bring up some very good points.One fix would be to combine the horde and alliance players into one pool and use that to fill bg's.
That might fix winning percent imbalance (might) but I don't see what that does to actually improve population.
If Horde is dominant in PvP and PvE, and PvP is mixed bag but PvE is still faction based, what incentive is there to go Alliance?
10/26/2018 06:10 AMPosted by TopicalmemeWhat we want Blizzard to fix is that fact that good competitive players have absolutely no incentive to play Alliance right now. Try reading posts before you reply to them.
Please point out what incentives Blizzard currently gives players to roll Horde.
None... ? Do you even understand what's being discussed here?
Edit: I'll try to be a clear as possible for you. The incentive to play Horde right now is to be on the faction that actually has decent players, can win battlegrounds, dominates war mode, and has 80% of the top raiding guilds. This causes a snowball effect where even more good players give up on Alliance and switch to Horde. To fix this problem Blizzard has to give good/serious players incentives to play Alliance.
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10/26/2018 08:20 AMPosted by Tzuyu10/26/2018 07:53 AMPosted by JugajrThis. My queue times can still be lower.
I remember I used to queue up, spin around in my chair twice and it would pop. Yesterday I had to wait TWO whole minutes for it to pop. Wtf do horde not wanna play anymore or something?
Piff. Back in Cata and WoD all we Horde had to do was think "You know, partaking in a BG seems like a good idea" and the BG queue would pop before we even bothered to hit the join queue button.
Please point out what incentives Blizzard currently gives players to roll Horde.
It's not really that Blizzard has given these incentives, but the reality is:
1. You can level using War Mode much easier on horde. When leveling this DK from 110 to 120 I only saw two alliance.
2. You have a better chance of winning BGs when you play horde.
3. If you want shorter queue times you can just merc (no downside).
BTW, I faction changed one of my alliance to horde earlier today. I'll move the others as soon as I am done completing the conquest cap (you lose progress if you faction change).
I have a job, so I just can't afford having nights where I lose 8 BGs in a row. I'll also move the characters I still need to level to horde for faster leveling.
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10/26/2018 06:18 AMPosted by VanazarMercenary mode needs to be removed and the bonus should be extra conquest per win rather than the useless honor that is currently given.
I think the opposite approach would work better. That is, allow Mercenary Mode to work both ways, all the time. Eventually the mixing would be so thorough that gear and competency should be roughly equal on both sides.
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Please point out what incentives Blizzard currently gives players to roll Horde.
None... ? Do you even understand what's being discussed here?
Edit: I'll try to be a clear as possible for you. The incentive to play Horde right now is to be on the faction that actually has decent players, can win battlegrounds, dominates war mode, and has 80% of the top raiding guilds. This causes a snowball effect where even more good players give up on Alliance and switch to Horde. To fix this problem Blizzard has to give good/serious players incentives to play Alliance.
I believe I do understand. You're upset because you feel that the horde faction has more talented players than the Alliance does. And you feel that it's Blizzard's responsibility to literally bribe those players into switching factions.
Does that about sum it up?
10/26/2018 09:27 AMPosted by Oozo1. You can level using War Mode much easier on horde. When leveling this DK from 110 to 120 I only saw two alliance.
I only saw 2-3 Horde while leveling this Lock. And yes, I always have warmode on.
10/26/2018 09:27 AMPosted by Oozo2. You have a better chance of winning BGs when you play horde.
I win the same Horde or Alliance.
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None... ? Do you even understand what's being discussed here?
Edit: I'll try to be a clear as possible for you. The incentive to play Horde right now is to be on the faction that actually has decent players, can win battlegrounds, dominates war mode, and has 80% of the top raiding guilds. This causes a snowball effect where even more good players give up on Alliance and switch to Horde. To fix this problem Blizzard has to give good/serious players incentives to play Alliance.
I believe I do understand. You're upset because you feel that the horde faction has more talented players than the Alliance does. And you feel that it's Blizzard's responsibility to literally bribe those players into switching factions.
Does that about sum it up?
Not a matter of 'more talented players'. They have more players PERIOD, and it is only growing more unbalanced every day. And yes, it is up to Blizzard to fix the imbalance that they themselves created. So no, you apparently still do not understand what the problem is.
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10/26/2018 09:27 AMPosted by Oozo1. You can level using War Mode much easier on horde. When leveling this DK from 110 to 120 I only saw two alliance.
I noticed this too.
On Horde, I didn't have any fights against the Alliance.
On Alliance, I was attacked when I was doing my third quest in BFA. I had barely started doing BFA content and I was already dealing with wPvP. These max level, Horde feral druids were really brave going against my lower level toon.
10/26/2018 10:08 AMPosted by Forums10/26/2018 09:27 AMPosted by Oozo1. You can level using War Mode much easier on horde. When leveling this DK from 110 to 120 I only saw two alliance.
I noticed this too.
On Horde, I didn't have any fights against the Alliance.
On Alliance, I was attacked when I was doing my third quest in BFA. I had barely started doing BFA content and I was already dealing with wPvP. These max level, Horde feral druids were really brave going against my lower level toon.
I even leveled on a weekend, and barely noticed any wpvp. It's not a faction thing, warmode just isn't that popular
10/26/2018 10:08 AMPosted by Forums10/26/2018 09:27 AMPosted by Oozo1. You can level using War Mode much easier on horde. When leveling this DK from 110 to 120 I only saw two alliance.
I noticed this too.
On Horde, I didn't have any fights against the Alliance.
On Alliance, I was attacked when I was doing my third quest in BFA. I had barely started doing BFA content and I was already dealing with wPvP. These max level, Horde feral druids were really brave going against my lower level toon.
You must be mistaken. Jugaa didn't get attacked so you must not have been attacked either. Also, Jugaa wins half of their BGs so everybody else must be winning half of their BGs as well.
Jugaa-logic can't be denied or defeated.
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10/26/2018 10:15 AMPosted by Oozo10/26/2018 10:08 AMPosted by Forums...
I noticed this too.
On Horde, I didn't have any fights against the Alliance.
On Alliance, I was attacked when I was doing my third quest in BFA. I had barely started doing BFA content and I was already dealing with wPvP. These max level, Horde feral druids were really brave going against my lower level toon.
You must be mistaken. Jugaa didn't get attacked so you must not have been attacked either. Also, Jugaa wins half of their BGs so everybody else must be winning half of their BGs as well.
Jugaa-logic can't be denied or defeated.
Or it's just greatly exaggerated how bad the faction imbalance is, just like in Legion
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I believe I do understand. You're upset because you feel that the horde faction has more talented players than the Alliance does. And you feel that it's Blizzard's responsibility to literally bribe those players into switching factions.
Does that about sum it up?
Not a matter of 'more talented players'. They have more players PERIOD, and it is only growing more unbalanced every day.
Okay, so if it's not about having more "good" players why is all the pissing and moaning about losing battleground matches?
10/26/2018 10:07 AMPosted by MiadraAnd yes, it is up to Blizzard to fix the imbalance that they themselves created.
What did Blizzard do to cause this faction imbalance?
10/26/2018 10:08 AMPosted by Forums10/26/2018 09:27 AMPosted by Oozo1. You can level using War Mode much easier on horde. When leveling this DK from 110 to 120 I only saw two alliance.
I noticed this too.
On Horde, I didn't have any fights against the Alliance.
On Alliance, I was attacked when I was doing my third quest in BFA. I had barely started doing BFA content and I was already dealing with wPvP. These max level, Horde feral druids were really brave going against my lower level toon.
Turn off War Mode?
10/26/2018 10:16 AMPosted by Jugajr10/26/2018 10:15 AMPosted by Oozo...
You must be mistaken. Jugaa didn't get attacked so you must not have been attacked either. Also, Jugaa wins half of their BGs so everybody else must be winning half of their BGs as well.
Jugaa-logic can't be denied or defeated.
Or it's just greatly exaggerated how bad the faction imbalance is, just like in Legion
Your failure in logic is that you assume that other people must be experiencing the same things that you are experiencing when there could be other factors involved such as solo/duo queueing versus full man queuing or queuing at certain tmes of day or even the possibility of a hidden mechanic that keeps placing you with bad players.
Did you think alliance doing better than horde in WoD was an exaggeration as well?
10/26/2018 10:31 AMPosted by OozoYour failure in logic is that you assume that other people must be experiencing the same things that you are experiencing
The irony of this is thick enough to choke a donkey.
People are really pointing toward lore and subjective mount quality as reasons for the disparity. Smh
Once one faction reportedly wins 51% of games, people begin to gravitate in its direction because people enjoy winning more than enjoy losing. Then snowball, blah blah blah.
It isn’t difficult to see why the faction with the more robust pool of players performs better on average. It’s easier to satisfy the soft role requirements that are in place and when a player leaves, it stands to reason that they’d be replaced more quickly too.
How do we fix it? We don’t. Players will naturally migrate to the faction that wins more. It’s human nature.
Once one faction reportedly wins 51% of games, people begin to gravitate in its direction because people enjoy winning more than enjoy losing. Then snowball, blah blah blah.
It isn’t difficult to see why the faction with the more robust pool of players performs better on average. It’s easier to satisfy the soft role requirements that are in place and when a player leaves, it stands to reason that they’d be replaced more quickly too.
How do we fix it? We don’t. Players will naturally migrate to the faction that wins more. It’s human nature.