likewise for rated, Alliance still have better racials for certain classes but the problem lays with the 90% of the game, pve. If Horde is the king for everything PVE, then it ripples to PVP.
Only in this region is my point. EU is all Alliance for rated pvp
Source please. People here say that EU is Alliance heavy in war mode, too, but when you actually check the EU forums, they say the opposite.
... You must be kidding. Most PVP folks hate arenas with a passion - even a lot of the arena folks will happily admit that they'd avoid arenas if they didn't have to do it for quickest gear progression.
I would agree that arenas are relatively balanced. In fact, balancing around arenas is a big part of the reason why the forms of PVP that people actually like to do - random battlegrounds and world PVP - are so unbalanced.
Ideally Blizzard would balance around 40v40 battlegrounds. Even balancing around 10v10 battlegrounds would help.
3s is the most played rated bracket.
They are still almost completely irrelevant with respect to the PVP that most people do, which isn't rated. I suggest balancing around rated only because that would better approximate the PVP that people actually do, and because it's difficult to figure out how to balance around randoms or, especially, world PVP.
They are still almost completely irrelevant with respect to the PVP that most people do, which isn't rated. I suggest balancing around rated only because that would better approximate the PVP that people actually do, and because it's difficult to figure out how to balance around randoms or, especially, world PVP.
It’s still the most popular form of rated pvp. I didn’t say of all pvp.
And what exactly are they supposed to do to fix it? Force players to play alliance? Give alliance an unfair advantage like a damage buff? Nerf horde so alliance can win?
There's nothing they can do about what faction people choose to play, and how skillful those players are in PvP.
As trollish as this sounds, it really is a "git gud" situation. Alliance players are typically less skilled in PvP than horde. It's not because they can't be as skilled, but probably more to do with the fact that most alliance players don't PvP, or don't PvP as often/as much
I think some of it also has to do with racials being imbalanced in the past, thus most serious pvpers were horde. Even though racials are better now, the way they were set the idea that "horde is better" in a lot of people minds, and that idea is still there. Which attracts newer players towards horde rather than alliance.
Also, I don't even think the term "Faction imbalance" applies to BGs, as each team has equal numbers. It really only applies to world PvP, in which case, blue can't really do anything about it. If people don't want to play alliance, they don't want to play alliance...
Faction imbalance does apply to instanced pvp, as it does to every other aspect of the game. When one faction has a larger player base to draw from, the odds will go up when it comes to situations like the number of healers in a bg, the number of geared toons, the number of people to actually fill the bg in the first place, ect.
This is a situation that has been brought about completely by Blizzard with their years of tossing cookies to the people to try to lure them to the horde. When enough of that has happened for long enough, the Alliance player base left to fill battlegrounds , dungeons, raids, anything, becomes reduced, at this point to a degree it is becoming pronounced in pretty much every part of the game.
I have a large issue with anyone telling any Alliance they just need to 'get gud' when this is not a problem that is in our control. This is a monster Blizzard has created, and it is up to them to fix it. They need to offer better incentives to play Alliance in the first place, and stop pretending there is not a faction imbalance by using band aid fixes like merc mode.
Miadra gets it and always has. We may (?) disagree on gearing but that's secondary to the faction mess created by blizz.
For people who say "faction balance is fine and L2P" how many of them main horde? I bet it is well more than half. I bet a fair amount of them also faction-switched at least a few years ago to take advantage of the stronger horde racials and/or PvP community.
Notice how none of these "it's fine" people say, "Switch to horde"? I wonder why. But that's what I think people who are really fed up should do. Either switch or make a horde toon to play on. Make horde queues skyrocket so bad that "entirely fine faction balance" blows up in the horde's faces.
Only then might blizz actually do something to fix what they created, like mixed faction BGs or merc mode for alliance.
Of course, horde could always merc more, but many of them don't want to. Mostly because they're hypocrites: they say everything's fine when they know it really isn't. They don't want to play as alliance - but they expect the rest of us to. So why not flood their ranks instead? See how long they keep laughing. :)
Jugaa is a warlock who sits in the back lines and casts spells at people fighting other people. I can guarantee that she never goes off alone to 1v1 or 1vN on her warlock.
Sitting in the back line playing off of a bigger fight as a ranged class is absolutely the easiest style of pvp gameplay you can engage in.
If I am wrong show me gameplay footage of you playing your warlock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMOv9oqRJbE
Huh, and why would she run off road-fighting like an idiot? Srsly, give her a chance - she's a good person and player. That said, I only very occasionally see her in epic BGs with a partial premade - I mean, lil' group of friends - and like folks have admitted now and then on the forums, even little premades can't always affect 40-mans. Which is why I suspect I don't see them in there much. Not to mention they maybe just prefer the smaller maps where they can exert some special influence. :)
Jugaa is a warlock who sits in the back lines and casts spells at people fighting other people. I can guarantee that she never goes off alone to 1v1 or 1vN on her warlock.
Sitting in the back line playing off of a bigger fight as a ranged class is absolutely the easiest style of pvp gameplay you can engage in.
If I am wrong show me gameplay footage of you playing your warlock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMOv9oqRJbE
Huh, and why would she run off road-fighting like an idiot? Srsly, give her a chance - she's a good person and player. That said, I only very occasionally see her in epic BGs with a partial premade - I mean, lil' group of friends - and like folks have admitted now and then on the forums, even little premades can't always affect 40-mans. Which is why I suspect I don't see them in there much. Not to mention they maybe just prefer the smaller maps where they can exert some special influence. :)
The only bg I get for epics is mainly IOC so I don’t queue it often.
Jugaa is a warlock who sits in the back lines and casts spells at people fighting other people. I can guarantee that she never goes off alone to 1v1 or 1vN on her warlock.
Sitting in the back line playing off of a bigger fight as a ranged class is absolutely the easiest style of pvp gameplay you can engage in.
If I am wrong show me gameplay footage of you playing your warlock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMOv9oqRJbE
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LOOOOOL you are a dk you can just spam dots ams and basically do the same thing.
Some 1v1s and 1v2s against glads/duelists in there. I really don't need someone like Jugaa telling me that I'm having some long losing streaks in BGs as alliance because I'm not good enough. ;)
Stop embarrassing yourself just so you can peddle your elementary YouTube videos.
Some 1v1s and 1v2s against glads/duelists in there. I really don't need someone like Jugaa telling me that I'm having some long losing streaks in BGs as alliance because I'm not good enough. ;)
Stop embarrassing yourself just so you can peddle your elementary YouTube videos.
Besides kits youtube is way better anyway then some unknown unheard of random dk who thinks hes good at the game .
After playing battlegrounds for 12 years, completing every bg achievement, 400k honor kills, etc:
The faction imbalance has taken all of the fun from pvp.
I'm a hardcore pve'er, and I like to do randoms after raid and during off-time to cap conquest as well as for fun.
Alliance is getting stomped in 19/20 games. It's worse than I've ever seen it. Horde team gets twice as many healers, because roles aren't locked. Alliance gets fresh levelled toons in greens because you're giving away loot boxes for losses...
Completely a product of Blizzard's greed. Elves were added to the horde as a way to entice more people into the faction, and their paid faction changes brought in boat loads of cash. The resulting imbalances also increased the money from server transfers, as the people who didn't want to faction swap had to escape the hell their servers slowly became.
Fix it, blizz. Coming from a hardcore long-time veteran: this is a big problem and you can't continue to ignore it.
To be fair most of those are because of Alliance stupidity. I literally just left AV where check this out.
Horde have not yet to take SPGY or Bunkers. Alliance just finished capping EAst and West Frostwolf Towers. Defense tells the group "All of the Horde is coming here."
They are at SHGY and making their way up. There are like 7 alliance defenders. The majority sat their !@# in Frostwolf Hold while two team of 5 man back cappers try to hold TP and IBT....
Ifthey all got off their butts to cap the two towers and ignore FWRH, it would have been a victory.
Alliance has always and will always be the whipping child in PvP. It's been that way for a decade or more. It's been that way since pretty much BGs were introduced into the game. It is NEVER going change. There's nothing Blizzard can code to change how people behave. People thinking Blizzard will do something to change it are insane.
I'd wager the Alliance people here that say it aint that bad don't solo queue nearly as much as they claim they do and are just trolling. Or haven't done much solo queue on Horde to see the difference.
If you've been playing WoW for a decade like many have, you've probably got Horde AND Alliance toons and you've BG'd as both and you know life is better on the Horde PvP side.
It's human nature to go the path of least resistance. In general, people who enjoy PvP, enjoy wins more than an actual challenge so that's why so many more players play Horde PvP more than Alliance PvP. That's why their queues are 10+ mins and Alliance is 1 to 2 min.
Yea Horde lose too. Sometimes they lose a few in a row. Sometimes they get stomped. But again, if you've played both factions for any amount of time, you know it doesn't happen nearly as frequently as it does for Alliance. It's been this way for so many years. Just accept that's the norm and adjust YOUR play because expecting anything on Alliance side to change is wasting your time.
Alliance has always and will always be the whipping child in PvP. It's been that way for a decade or more. It's been that way since pretty much BGs were introduced into the game. It is NEVER going change. There's nothing Blizzard can code to change how people behave. People thinking Blizzard will do something to change it are insane.
I'd wager the Alliance people here that say it aint that bad don't solo queue nearly as much as they claim they do and are just trolling. Or haven't done much solo queue on Horde to see the difference.
If you've been playing WoW for a decade like many have, you've probably got Horde AND Alliance toons and you've BG'd as both and you know life is better on the Horde PvP side.
It's human nature to go the path of least resistance. In general, people who enjoy PvP, enjoy wins more than an actual challenge so that's why so many more players play Horde PvP more than Alliance PvP. That's why their queues are 10+ mins and Alliance is 1 to 2 min.
Yea Horde lose too. Sometimes they lose a few in a row. Sometimes they get stomped. But again, if you've played both factions for any amount of time, you know it doesn't happen nearly as frequently as it does for Alliance. It's been this way for so many years. Just accept that's the norm and adjust YOUR play because expecting anything on Alliance side to change is wasting your time.
What are you talking about ive done plenty of solo Q . Just because its 50/50 doesnt mean just because we say we do ok doesnt mean its false . I can show you reflex data.
Btw i dont need to know about solo q as a horde . Trust me ik i used to be horde .
And that's all solo queue? While WoW is a MMO that's played 24/7 do you have any stats that are during the evening hours say from 5pm to 11pm? The prime hours most people play. Almost all of your BGs were after midnight. The 3 games you have during prime hours are all losses and that's really not enough games during those hours to show one way or the other.