I am talking about OG Vanilla, not everyone was clueless, though I will admit the vast majority were. Either way the argument doesn’t change no matter how you look at it. Tank specs, for example Deep Prot was never a good tanking spec, even if you look at it from the “I want avoidance” perspective as it had no more avoidance than Fury/Prot or Arms/Prot while generating less threat, and ultimately thats always been the big failure of tanking specs, since speccing deep into them didn’t make a tank any tankier or make them have increased threat.