Goblin ship, holding refugees, sunk by Alliance forces.
Let’s not forget MoP. Unarmed Horde swimming to the shore? Alliance guns them down in the water. Sha influence? Nah, Sha just amplifies what is already there, that dude really wanted them hordies dead. Even Taran Zhu called the Alliance’s part in fighting the Horde a genocidal bloodbath. Hmm. It’s… Almost as if… Both sides are bad.
Unless, of course, the Alliance completely changed its ways and went on the straight and narrow because Legion happened and by no way could ever do any wrong while a child-king sat on the throne of Stormwind despite the influences of Genn and Matthias sitting on his shoulder.
I’m just waiting for the Fallout crossover so they can start with the old “War, war never changes” line.
Actually, Zandalar and the Horde were enemies up til this point. Zul was their only representative out in the world, and Vol’jin hated him. I honestly wonder if that’s really why they killed Vol’jin off, because it would have been almost impossible to put the player in a position of allying with the Zandalari by cozying up to Zul if Vol’jin was our leader.
Thing is, the only reason anyone could ally themselves with the Zandalari was that Talanji came looking for help. It’s very weird that the writers would have Anduin just chuck her into a pit instead of trying to help her, and then characterize her rescue as “an attack on Stormwind.”
Yeah, Zul burned some buildings, but if we hadn’t had to rescue them, he wouldn’t have. Also, we didn’t set any of the fires.
Yeah, that fight was SUPER badly done. None of it makes sense. Shirtless Genn not only survives her arrow but steals the lamp and crushes it and just… walks away? And she lets him? Plus our characters (who were supposedly there) don’t do anything?
Um, no. She’s pretty dang mad at the Alliance. She allies with us so we can all crush them.
She’s mad at one Loa. And that’s because she got trapped into a bargain without even being told.
And no. Breaking into the sacred city of a 200 year old king, stealing his stuff and defiling his temple… that’s not Bwomsamdi’s fault. It’s the people who literally held the swords to his throat. Which was y’all.
No, the Horde won nothing.
The only engagement they lost was Darkshore/Teldrassil, and we managed to ambush them on that one.
Alliance escaped the ambush at Lorderon and we lost the city.
Alliance invaded Zandalar, blew up the fleet, killed the king and stole the relic we spent the whole war campaign stealing. Plus tricking our army into heading into Nazmir while they did it.
Horde were used by Sylvanas as bait to draw the Alliance into Nazjatar.
Baine gave Derrek back to Jaina directly, thus (apparently) negating whatever he was supposed to do. (Honestly this feels like a dropped story thread that was supposed to go somewhere and they decided not to bother)
Horde leaders had to be motivated and supported by Anduin. We lost several lore heroes in the ensuing fray.
The horde got 2 new zones from this war, gets away with one of the most horrible atrocities imaginable because they can blame it all on a scapegoat and they don’t even have to return lands or feel remorse for it.
Also if that doesn’t show you the horde’s true motives, then idk what to say. They did all of that against a treaty and now Anduin thinks they won’t do it again because of a new treaty.
Alliance got no new zones. They destroydd tirisfal to an extent but it can easily be restored. Teldrassil can’t be restored, Darnassus can’t be restored. The thousands of innocents can’t be restored.
Look at the whole horde story. It like a road map to a horror movie. Lots of plot twist, no where going road and end with something that had anything to do with original plot. I still shake my head at it. Top it off the lead character was missing during most it. Comes back so different and now evil that boggles mind.
Yes for all you guys who say evil. Fine. I still see her as aberrant.
The Alliance only had enough forces for one more assault on Orgrimmar with Saurfang’s Rebel Boys… Orgrimmar lost 1 Warchief and 1 Saurfang in the fight… their forces are otherwise intact - Rebel Boys falling back in line with Orgrimmar’s defenders…
What makes you think that Andiun is in a position to do anything? He’d have to call up the Farmers next… are you going to really threaten an Orc with Human farmers?
The horde leaders pretended to feel regret for the actions of Sylvanas and the Horde. Why not make them show it? Since they are not making up for anything they did, it shows that they all agreed with Sylvanas actions, they are just sad because Sylvanas left them.
“Hey I know this Orc Leader who we all respect just died for the Horde’s Sins - but you need to give me some concessions in the middle of this funeral or I’m going to order my alliance army which is on its last legs to slaughter you all.”
Example: I feel regret that I’m killing animals in order to feed myself. I’m not going to stop so long as its an option though. Doesn’t meant I don’t regret it. But you’ll have to force me to stop eating meat if you want that change.
Why should the Horde give up anything when they’ve already sacrificed the Orc who would be Warchief?
You keep saying this. Prove we keep it. Because nothing, NOTHING on the Horde side suggests we do. We attack Darkshore, through Ashenvale. We don’t station our army there. We go to Zandalar. Prove that in lore the conflict is still going on there. Because the only thing still happening there is a static warfront.
And if you want to take that as canon, you’re going to be waiting a real long time for them to change that zone. They’ve updated the zones once in 14 years. Good luck. The Horde don’t quest there and nothing in-game suggests we still have it except for an instance that will be stale ignored. content for the next 10 years.
Tirisfal can be restored? By whom? The Cenarion Circle takes years to purify one patch of the Plaguelands. Who is going to purify Lorderon?
And the Alliance got no new zones and neither did the Horde. We’re not holding that land. We blew it up and left.
Make them show it how? You keep ignoring this question. How do you think it should be shown in-game?
Because frankly letting Jaina Proudmoore and King Anduin into Ogrimmar to give a speech at Saurfang’s bier should be a pretty solid demonstration that the Horde has no current aggression toward you. Because we just lost our Warchief - you could easily have lost Anduin. The entire intact Horde was there.
How exactly are the Horde supposed to show it? And why are you insisting on this now when it literally happened in a story release weeks ago? We still have at least one more release before the expac ties up, and then a whole new expac after that? Why are you insisting that nothing’s happened when literally no story time has passed at all?
The horde has full control of it before the Warfront. The Night Elves try to retake it in 8.1 but they fail since the datamined victory speech never made it to live, meaning that blizz has changed these plans to not make the night elves win. Since the war is over, everyone will stop attacking zones, thus the night elves will have to leave these lands and stop trying to reconquer their home.
Horde still has full control over Ashenvale and Darkshore, they are still holding ground there and blighting it while the alliance left tirisfal long ago.
I said it already, the very least is giving the lands back and help removing the blight and rebuilding the forests and towns.
Because we already know what will happen in 8.3 and I made this post based off of that, too.