The Horde will never change without punishments

The ancient god will disappear and his brothers are asleep.

Besides the aspects and other people if they can give their blessing.

The horde left Darkshore and Ashenvale as part of a treaty at the end of MoP. Then they decided that they can just take what they want and also kill thousands of innocents for the fun because nobody will punish them anyway.

If they have really changed, they should leave these lands and help regrowing the lands and help the night elves rebuild their civilization.

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sleeping doesn’t stop the old gods from messing stuff help, it’s a huge bloody problem and tempting fate
even now the dream is having issues surviving and you’re asking us to open up another avenue to corrupt it more

it doesn’t work like that
the aspects are currently powerless and we don’t exactly have the means to reproduce titan tech…let alone whatever it was they did to the aspects and their flights

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The Horde doesn’t need to change.

yes, it actually needs to change a lot. They are worse than the scourge and legion combined.

yes and no one noticed because it wasn’t portrayed in game

none of this is that simple, the war of thorns and the entire bfa campaign was stupid but rather complex

so again, are you just asking for punishment in lore without a game change
or are you asking for the removal of a question zone for one faction?

You were in the way. Now you’re not. We good.

Kalimdor belongs to the Horde and leave it at that. Horde got the resources it needs and you can stay on the other side of the world.

It is here where you are wrong, we have something better than the Aspects we have the messenger and Titan herself.

no they aren’t, your kin quite literally came inches away from destroying the entire bloody world using the power of the legion
and that’s by mistake

the horde is nothing compared to the legion, and the scourge if aimed or left aimless would overrun everything

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so what? It still happened lore wise.

lore without game change (Darkshore should change anyway since they’ll hopefully remove the warfronts in 9.0 and update the zones)

and the horde already destroyed their planet before that.

do you legitimately not understand how this works?
Azeroth isn’t capable of giving blessings, and magni doesn’t HAVE that power

the power of the aspects was a combined effort from multiple waking and extremely powerful titans
azeroth isn’t nearly as powerful as the entire pantheon before their fall

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NOP

Que Aspect are only a Part of Power of Watchers

The tree only needs the blessing of Nature and life anyway Alextraza with some help from our dwarf friend would make it.

It is a blessing not an infusion of power as such.

the Trees of the world that were corrupted was in the absence of the approval of the Natural

If that approval is achieved there is no problem.

In the Cataclysm thanks to the Druids and Shamans, Nordrasill was helped to heal the wounds of the world.

Another tree in the world could help heal the Titan.

it’s not an actual punishment if no one knows or notices

then it’s a useless piece of dialogue that doesn’t do anything

agreed, but the actual repairs/rebuilding should take awhile…and with the changes it’d be nice to see a revamp NE starting area alongside a ruined but slowly being repaired darkshore
since the violence/faction war needs to rest for abit

no they didn’t, in the timeline the destruction of dreanor was fairly recent
like…there are still humans and orcs alive that were in the first war

moreover, it was less the horde and more that magic in warcraft is insanely potent, and portals aren’t something to play with
the overuse of magic specifically is what caused it
adding fel into it just caused the issue to increase rapidly

at any rate the near destruction of azeroth occured some 9800+ years before that of dreanor

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no, no they aren’t
the watchers requested it, they had no hand to play in the actual power granted

the actual granting of power? yeah that was the titans, not the watchers

the aspects are freaking powerless and each was granted power from each member of the pantheon, it’s irrelavent if they need one or all of them

it is literally an infusion of power, the aspects can only bless things BECAUSE of the power they were infused with via the titan pantheon…which again we don’t have access to

that’s not how any of this works, they were corrupted in the absence of the blessing of the aspects, nature approving or not is wholly irrelevant and the “natural” doesn’t have a mind or a say
the blessings acted as barriers, ones that according to malfurion weakened over time anyway

Nordrassil had already been blessed long before the absence of the aspects, and was regrown with that power…it never lacked it
helping something is a whole lot different than granting it power it DOESN’T have
the aspects still had their power literally none of this would apply to a new tree

not when it’s young and powerless, and there’s no one able to actually bless the thing

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Name them then and see how they would react.

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How who would react?

Blizz has already made it clear that they are never going to give the night elves a single thing so…

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The Horde players. Because all I’ve seen your propose is lore changes that have no actual tangible consequences so you might as well not even be mad because you can just headcanon that the Horde pulled out of Ashenvale and Darkshore.

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I’d already be okay with lore changes but who am I kidding? If they are ever going to do something including the night elves it’s going to be another punching bag role for the horde. They are not going to get a single inch of their lands back.

If it happened in the lore, atleast it happened - but it’s never going to happen.

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Is the bad writing not punishment enough? Is having a raid tier all about sacking yet another Horde city not demotivating enough? How about losing half our leaders in one expansion? We have nearly no heroes left. We got hit with the villain bat again. And now you want to put Alliance occupying forces everywhere? Nah fam. No offense, but stuff it. We’re already miserable enough, especially on the RP end of things. You people think Night Elves have it bad, but they’ve had it nowhere near as bad as the orcs.

You want punishment? Let the Alliance be bad guys. Let them go around killing Horde innocents for no real reason, twirling their mustaches and treating everyone like crap. Give them an evil leader that kills their own people but also gets 100% of the story focus. You’ll find out that the grass isn’t greener on the other side at all, it’s wilted and miserable.

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no. :slight_smile:

you know why?

Because you have self-financed yourself instead of letting us beat you up.

Change is born of you, we are mere witnesses and damage to your exiastential crisis.