Well, see it this way: In 8.1 they wouldn’t even let us kill Nathanos even though he had absolutely no use after that patch anymore. If Nathanos is not going to die against the powers of a godess, who will be able to kill him?
Same for sylvanas, there was this whole thing with the loyalist questline and that she has a plan, I really really doubt they are going to let us kill her.
Well, alliance wants to say hello
The Horde will never change until the writers decide to change it–This also applies to the Alliance.
Well, Legion wants to say hello.
Or did you forget you were front and center? And I didn’t complain about you guys one bit.
Just because they move back into their lands doesn’t mean it will be the same. After all they no longer have a world tree to live in, so they will need to rebuild their entire civilization and outposts in what is left of what was already a pretty ruined lands thanks to Cata.
The fact that the Horde are not being held accountable for what they did to the NEs is the reason that Tyrande and Genn are 100% correct to tell Andiun to take a hike with his peace deal.
Blizzard has done this before with past villains. Garrosh took forever to die, as did Gul’dan. Blizzard have made it a habit to build their villains up to their demise ever since Garrosh in MoP. It’s very likely that if the pattern continues, Sylvanas and Nathanos will die at the beginning or middle of next expansion in some raid tier. They first had to tell the story of getting the Horde to hate Sylvanas (majority at least) before they could make her a target. Now that she’s abandoned the Horde, she’s fair game to be a raid boss to both factions.
It would also be nice if the night elves could go to feralas or something. Darkshore and Ashenvale aren’t really safe areas to build given that it’s so close to the horde and they are very likely to do the same thing again in 2-3 years.
Considering Blizz’s writing though, this part of the story is most likely over.
I don’t know, the writers even said that she won’t die and they are like their all time favorites. I really really doubt it’s going to happen
No we didnt. In fact we were reprimanded if we tried.
When was the Alliance held accountable for the concentration camps?
When was the Alliance held accountable for provoking Sylvanas in Stormheim?
When did they get held accountable for the massacre in Mists when the Admiral shot all the surrendering orcs in the water?
Or about Camp Taurajo, when the player had to go with another orc to get some kind of justice for that massacre, and we ambushed the man involved.
It’s a game. Neither side is perfect, and to act like it is, well thats silly. They wrote it this way. The Alliance isn’t perfect and everyone acting like they haven’t been aggressors is just silliness. I play both sides, I know.
When did the writers say she was never going to die? I don’t recall them ever saying that?
Yeah to bad they had no where to run. Go I won’t kill you here
On the alliance side you got told that all civilians got killed so…
They said it in an interview at the beginning of BfA if I remember correctly.
Also, they said that it won’t be Garrosh 2.0, but currently everything has been Garrosh 2.0 so I guess they mean that garrosh died but Sylvanas won’t.
I’ve watched all coverage of BFA, I really don’t recall them saying Sylvanas would never die. I do recall them saying this wouldn’t be the same as MoP and Sylvanas wouldn’t end up like Garrosh. That she wouldn’t be hauled off to prison in chains and go to some trial. That she’d make Garrosh look like an amateur in terms of the mass scale of her plans.
In a lot of those instances, they were right. Sylvanas is like Garrosh but didn’t end up like him. She didn’t get captured and instead escaped and is on the run. She also has plans far greater than Garrosh in what she desires to accomplish, seeing as she seems to want to unleash mass death upon the world.
Sylvanas may be an elusive villain but she’s definitely not protected from dying. If Blizzard wanted to do that, they’d as you mentioned, redeem her by making her seem like a good person, so people wouldn’t be demanding her death. But she’s done so many terrible things to the point she’s as bad as Gul’dan now. Now she’s on the run from both factions. It’s only a matter of time before she’ll be killed imo.
If you want to know a character who is absolutely protected from dying, a good example would be Jaina. Don’t get me wrong, I’m Alliance and love Jaina, but that is absolutely a character who is safe from death. Jaina has done a lot to make the Horde angry (and vice versa) but the point is, within the game the writers make the Horde seem to forget she has done these things that made them angry, almost as if they never happened and are brushed under the rug. Look how Jaina is now chilling with Lor’themar at Orgrimmar and they’re buddy buddy now. That’s how a character is protected from ever dying.
Sylvanas on the other hand has no friends on either factions, and is hated by them.
I don’t know man, they even have given horde players choices to side with Sylvanas.
Don’t get me wrong I really really hope she’s going to die but I don’t think it’s happening because they refused to let Nathanos even take a hit in 8.1 and there’s a writer who identifies himself with nathanos (coincidence that he didn’t lose against the powers of a godess?).
At this point I think they’re setting her up to be an Illidan 2.0 since she also has such a huge fanbase and they have never cared about logic or anything before.
Is that a seriously question? I mean what did you expect them to do with a defeated army from another world? They couldn’t send them back and after the destruction they just caused and the fact that their goal was to kill, enslave and take our world for their own they sure weren’t just going to set them free.
You mean by stopping her from enslaving the Valkry and becoming basically immortal? You can send Genn a new chew toy for x-mas to thank him.
Not away of that situation so I have no clue.
Even the Tuaren leader accepted that it was a valid attack. The Alliance tried to allow the civilian population to leave, they just were not aware how dangerous the local area was. Far more than the Horde did for the civilians trapped in the World Tree I might add.
I did act like we haven’t done things wrong. But let’s be honest, you guys have done things far far worse then the Alliance and typically get a slap on the hand for it.
Half the horde’s vulperas will be alliance players! 
If the Horde players have to put up with the horrible writing of the Horde, then so do you Alliance players.
The Horde has regularly asked before BFA for things not to go this way.
If you think some in game lore writing of “punishments” that only actually hurt the playerbase (that had no choice in the matter) is going to change anything…then you are just being silly.
You realize that “choice” didn’t actually change anything? You did the same exact quests. It just had different quest text before/after it.
I would 100x over have had no part in the story than have what we got. SoO 2.0 with yet another civil war that had our faction in shambles and left us leaderless again isnt anything i saw anybody asking for
People just like pretending like they have it worse so they can garner pity. Nobody won with BfAs writing
You seriously need to read a book or two of what Alliance has done to the orcs. Yes they were from another world, no they didn’t need to be treated like savages and slaves. Or did you forget about what Jaina’s father DID to them? And if you justify that, well then you have no game if the other side is wiped out.
Genn went there to provoke Sylvanas. Plain and simple he lied to Anduin about his intentions for going there. And to justify Taurajo is BS. Why do you justify everything your side does? We get it, you love Alliance. As someone who plays both I’m merely saying you guys aren’t always in the right like most of you here seem to think.
They were an invading army that destroyed Stormwind and tried to conquer all of the Eastern Kingdom. They weren’t some petty thief that got caught shop lifting. Sure they were treated badly but the people back then probably didn’t care much as they were busy trying to rebuild the lives they nearly destroyed.
You don’t know that he lied to Andiun about anything, spot pulling assumptions out of rear end. He was given the authority to engage if they thought it was needed. Now he might have pushed it by just out right attacking the Horde fleet the second we show up but stocking Sylvana’s was in the best interest of everyone.
I didn’t justify it, the TAUREN LEADER DID! I freely admit the Alliance did some f’ed up stuff. Hell the Highborne NEs tried to give our world over to the Legion and the lowborne nearly blow it to hell stopping them. Arthas was an Alliance nobility and we know how that turned out.
Hold up, yes I do know that Genn didn’t get authority to do what he did. He specifically tells you that he’s been sent there to do a specific thing, but that you’re going to go on a side mission for him. Go roll an alt, and do that again. He literally tells you.
And I’m just going to say on the camps: Read the books. Read how it was for Thrall and many others, unless you were someones favorite.
That’s all I have to say to you, cause you are obviously set in your ways about Horde being very evil, when it was one Garrosh, and one Sylvanas. Not the entirety of the Horde.
I really wish we could go factionless. I’m so sick and tired of everyone boasting how great one side is over the other, when both are just as guilty. What happens when you push one side over and over? They fight back. That’s what the Horde has done essentially, even if Sylvanas was wrong in how she did it. Back in Classic, when you make an Undead it even tells you how she tried going to the Alliance to get aid but they refused it.
There was already so much hatred and prejudice in the Alliance characters before teh burning of that tree, I just hope they can move past that. I really had hoped it wouldn’t have been Sylvanas to do that, cause once again the Horde gets to be evil when they aren’t.