As much as the leatherworking trainer was a threat to wildhammer dwarves with firebombs on gryphons with his skinning knife. But that ignores you know the sentinels stationed in Silverwind.
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So? They are a nature oriented species … and a connection to Gral could easily be enough justification to teach them “Life” Domain Magic. “Druids” as a class, and “Druids” as a lore concept are not the same thing in this world. The term Druid has a lot of in universe lore for the NEs; but the functional meta Druid class is just a means of describing any wielder of LIFE domain magic (which is NOT exclusive to NEs). Also, the Druids of Fin are a minority group as far as we can tell … and the Oceans of the World are vast (they could use a little help from people who actually depend on those aquatic ecosystems to thrive don’t you think)?
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Every town in game has armed guards. They’re as much police as military. The Sentinels weren’t actively training the food and drink vendor for combat.
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I’d count that as a different group than Thrall’s horde. And mostly I’m being snippy because Gale came into a discussion about growth in the story with some nonsense about the territory growth that the horde got due to the fact that Blizz ran out of time before really getting much done for the Horde in vanilla.
Again, just referring to the fact Southshore was lost in the rebalancing in part because it funneled Alliance into a town when they were at the top end of the level range for the zone that was rather close to Tarren Mill where the quests started at the low end, and it was a pvp hotspot early in the forsaken questing path.
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That really isn’t quite true. For example the Gilneans have their harvest witches. The highborne have botanists. There are some indications via the books that the Kiran Tor has some degree of ability in the usage of nature magic, also.
Right, but DRUST magic is still hodgepodged into being called a “Druid” for mechanical purposes. As are the Saurian Gonk Magic users of the Zandalari. Essentially, its a functionalist thing … and honestly … the Druids of the Fin were shown getting taken down by forest sprites (than eaten by sharks). That is their only real representation in Lore. Their lack of numbers is also such a thing where I kind of doubt THEY should be the reason a race as in tune with their natural environment as the Kelpin should be denied access to a similar magic type (should they end up as a PC race … which admittedly is a stretch).
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So you’re comparing civilians that were hunted down by the Horde as they tried to flee and then left their bodies to rot there (a wonderful contrast to holiday decorations that still get put up on Silverwind Refuge) to a leatherworker that wasn’t even at Taurajo herself? You’re not even comparing her to the Tauren that the Alliance tried to let escape.
The Ankoan bodyguards actually get Gral’s Blessing, too.
Southshore was originally planned to just be destroyed by a tidal wave caused by the Cataclysm. That Blizzard decided to have the Horde do what it did to Southshore was unnecessary to the rebalancing.
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Well, Gral IS a pretty chill dude (seriously, I really like our few interactions with the Shark Loa; the guy has some serious passion). That being said, I have heard … mixed reactions of the Ankoan (while I’ve heard nothing but positives about the Kelpin; in fact to such a degree people seem genuinely surprised the little communist water Goblins are so pure and charming).
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I like the Pandaria Jinyu better.
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Well, only druids of the fang/claw have meaningful lore about them, because they reflect the OG concept back in the RTS era games. Druids of the Moon—aka the balance spec—is a major spec, yet i can put the lore for them on a note card.
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No, I’m referring to the leatherworker in Taurajo whose ghost you interact with in one of the Horde quest. I think he’s helping others escape while trying to hold off the Alliance troops with a knife. And the various Tauren that were left to rot in the Barrens when the Alliance troops funneled them right into the Quillboars.
Omusa (the old Flight Master)
Omusa’s Spirit says: No, stay with the others. Escort them north, away from the fighting. I will stay here with the wyverns and cover your escape. Go!
Omusa’s Spirit says: …wait, it is over? I’ve been run through… Ah. Of course. I understand now. I am expected elsewhere.
Yonada (Tailoring Supplier)
Yonada’s Spirit says: Alliance - they’ve surrounded the camp! What are they doing here? Why are they attacking Taurajo? Get the children - run! RUN!
Dranh (Leatherworking Trainer)
Dranh’s Spirit says: I can feel the embrace now of all living things, the Earthmother’s eternal peace. Thank you.
Krulmoo (Skinning Trainer)
Krulmoo’s Spirit says: I ran to wake up the others when the attack hit. Were they able to escape? I tried to fight off the soldiers with a skinning knife…
There was a lot of horde villain batting in Cata that was unnecessary.
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LOL! Well, that is very true. ![:smiley:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/smiley.png?v=6" ":smiley:")
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Sorry, I thought you were referring to the new leatherworker quests in BfA.
And the Alliance was not going to leave the bodies there. Or at least that’s exactly what the questgiver was worried about:
- We tauren do not bury our dead, we prepare the body for its return to the elements and place it at our sacred grave sites. Those killed in the Taurajo massacre have had no funeral, and I worry misguided Alliance soldiers will burn the bodies of the dead before the proper rites have been performed.
Once again, you’re comparing something misguided that the Alliance did to what the Horde intentionally did to Silverwind Refuge.
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Look, I’m not really aiming to rehash all this out again. I was kinda snapping at Gale for jumping in to the middle of another discussion and changing the topic into “HORDE BAD!” when I was commenting on someone saying that because when the Alliance loses things they grow in the story so therefore if the horde loses more therefore we’ll grow. I haven’t seen any evidence of that happening so I commented on that. It had nothing to do with territory or faction v faction conflict.
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Because we haven’t lost anything to the same scale.
Taurajo is incredibly minor event that got addressed in questing.
Southshore is the equivalent of Taurajo which went unaddressed until we got introduced to Admiral Rogers.
When the Horde loses something to the scale as the Alliance then we will get the same growth.
I don’t think there’s any assurance that Blizzard would put the same kind of “growth” into the Horde if they lost something as big as Teldrassil.
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Siege Of Orgrimmar.
Vol’jin
Lordaeron
Most of our faction leaders that we had in Vanilla.
When it comes to characters we’ve lost way more than the Alliance has, but for the most part it just gets shrugged off and nothing fills it in.
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I think they would. That seems to be the formula so far.
Its only when the situation is presented poorly like Battle for Lordaeron that certain aspects get ignored.
The Forsaken lost undercity but because the presentation sucked they are just goons now. Nothing compelling or emotional about their loss.
So they don’t need the development whereas the Night Elves did and so they got it.
I kind of addressed that in my response to Amadis because the presentation was poor the development required was half hearted.
But if the loss was presented as horrifically as Theramore or Teldrassil were presented then you would have seen much more development.
Had you regaining Orgrimmar back from Garrosh, not having it destroyed?
Both Thrall and Vol’jin are back. If we’re talking Vanilla, that’s only Orc, Tauren, Darkspear, and Forsaken, right? You’ve lost Cairne and hopefully will lose Sylvanas, but even then that’s only half. Technical nitpick, but that’s not most.
Returning to their Warcraft III roots, which was the inspiration for “Terror of Darkshore” is not really growth, it’s just uncompacting what hasn’t been shown since then.
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